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Old 09-04-2003, 04:55 PM   #1
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Question Window Regulator Questions

My daughter's 93 SL2 has the power driver's window acting up.
If seems like a gear is stripped. If we push or pull past the bad spots it will start working until it hits another bad spot.

Replies to my previous post told me to replace the regulator. I pulled the door apart and am able to get to it.

Couple of questions.

One, the manual says to drill out the cam bolts and splayed rivets. I can find the rivets, but what are the cam bolts?

Second, through various suppliers on the internet, I can find the regulator. I can also find a new motor if that is what I need. What I cannot see is if it is the regulator and/or motor is bad. Apparently, the motor can be removed from the regulator. I cannot see the spot where the gear from the motor meets up with the gear on the regulator to determin which is bad. Does anyone know if the regulator/motor are sold as a unit or separately and is there a way to tell which is bad without disassembling the mechanism?


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Old 09-05-2003, 11:21 AM   #2
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I'm not sure about aftermarket, but, from Saturn you have to buy the whole assembly, the motor is not available seperately. The # for the left front regulator for a 95 sedan is 21097243 and should run about $105-$115 from the dealer. If the last 8 digits of your VIN# are prior to SZ148736, you need to get a copy of tech bulletin 94-T-53. It shows the procedure for replacing yours with the redesigned one. Also, if you get one from the dealer, make sure it's packaged correctly. Saturn had a whole mispacked shipment of them. As far as checking to see what's bad, I can't help you there. Ask Wolfman or Saturn-eh, they seem to be the 2 most knowledgeable(sp?) people on here. Good luck and good day.

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Old 09-05-2003, 07:55 PM   #3
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It is more than likely that the regulator gear teeth are stripped. This will neccessitate replacement of the entire regulator assembly. You can check for sure by moving the regulator up and down, noting the condition of the teeth on both the motor, and regulator arm.

There are four rivets on the regulator that need to be drilled out, two funny nuts that secure the glass to the regulator (there is a special socket, but good heavy snap ring pliers, or needle nose will do) and two 10mm bolts that hold the "slide track" to the door. that's it.

I have never heard of cam bolts, nor had to drill them out (I have replaced more Saturn window regulators than I care to count)

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Old 09-07-2003, 08:14 AM   #4
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Is it me or are there alot of us out there with broke regulators?

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Old 09-07-2003, 03:39 PM   #5
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One reason any car with power windows is off my shopping list.

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Old 09-07-2003, 10:48 PM   #6
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Okay, my regulator needs to be replaced as well, question for you all...there is mention of drilling out the rivets...do you have to replace them with something, or do you just attach the new regulator with the bolts?

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Old 03-18-2004, 07:52 AM   #7
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Bump. In Colin's shoes -- do most people just use bolts to reattach the assembly? My dad has the correct rivets and tool, but he's still in FLA for the winter.

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Old 03-19-2004, 09:05 AM   #8
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I replaced mine with nuts and bolts. I suggest you use loctite or some other thread sealer on them. I ended up using the redesigned regulator that came without instructions for the correct procedure. It wasn't difficult to make it work.

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Old 03-19-2004, 11:18 AM   #9
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I had the same kind of go round with my 2002 SL2 windows. Took the dealer forever to figure out what it was (still under warranty and all) but after replacing the modulator and the regulator and the motor (and whatever else -or thing they could think of) the console switches were replaced and badda bing the windows work flawlessly and I have not had an issue since!

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Old 06-22-2005, 03:19 PM   #10
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The window regulator on my 94' saturn sc1 has worn teeth which prevent it from working properly. I have a manual one...not a power one, so I really don't need the moter. Is it possible to buy one without the moter? If not, then is the part the same, so that I would just have to take the moter off?

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Old 06-22-2005, 03:51 PM   #11
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The regulator for a car with manual windows is different than one for power windows. The part numbers for yours are as follows:
Passenger side 21097200
Drivers side 21097201
Before you go out and buy a new regulator, check to see if the little plastic piece that sits in the channel is broken. If it is(which is very common) then all you need is part number 21172105.

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Old 06-22-2005, 04:53 PM   #12
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This is a common thing. Mine work still on my '91, but they get stuck 10% up, and 50% up, and have to be helped up&down, but thank god, they still work. Rear windows still show no sign of failure. Sunroof even still works fine, but it leaks a bit. (I'll get that fixed soon) You need new regulators.

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Old 06-23-2005, 09:48 AM   #13
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The window regulators are sold with and without the motors attached. The price difference is small, perhaps $15 or $20 or so. When the driver's power window in my 1993 SL2 died I was convinced it was the regulator. Since I didn't want to take the door apart more than once to troubleshoot and try to fix things and so on, I simply bought a new window regulator with the motor attached (for less than $100) and swapped them both. The only thing that was a pain in the neck was the pair of window sash nuts that attach the bottom of the window pane glass to the top of the window regulator.

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Old 08-14-2005, 09:40 PM   #14
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This is a great pictorial/tutorial on how to replace the window regulator. It really should be in the How-To section (if it isn't already!). I also hope your web space will remain stable and this valuable set of instructions won't get lost.

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Old 08-15-2005, 07:15 PM   #15
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David,

This is a great pictorial/tutorial about replacing the window regulator and motor. Thanks very much!

Now, for my question: I have a 93 SC-2. My passenger's side power window will open smoothly with no problems. However, when I try to close it by holding the switch in the up position, nothing happens. I can reliably close it by clicking the switch up, releasing it, and repeating, perhaps a dozen times. Each time, the window closes a few inches and then stops. So, the question is: should I be looking at the mechanical parts such as the regulator/motor, or at the electrical such as the switch?

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Old 08-19-2005, 06:59 AM   #16
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This is a great pictorial/tutorial on how to replace the window regulator. It really should be in the How-To section (if it isn't already!). I also hope your web space will remain stable and this valuable set of instructions won't get lost.

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Thanks. Yes, I will move it to the "How-To" area here at SaturnFans. My goal was to show my non-Saturn family and friends how easily some things can be fixed on a Saturn. Imagine trying to replace a window regulator on a car without removable exterior panels! I'd guess we'd have to do everything from the inside with the interior panel removed, working in a confined area and sticking our hands into little openings with sharp metal edges. And I'd guess it would take many hours to get the job done.

I also have other stuff I want to add to the "How-To" area but haven't found the time to do it yet. But I still have the photos and notes I wrote down!

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David,

This is a great pictorial/tutorial about replacing the window regulator and motor. Thanks very much!

Now, for my question: I have a 93 SC-2. My passenger's side power window will open smoothly with no problems. However, when I try to close it by holding the switch in the up position, nothing happens. I can reliably close it by clicking the switch up, releasing it, and repeating, perhaps a dozen times. Each time, the window closes a few inches and then stops. So, the question is: should I be looking at the mechanical parts such as the regulator/motor, or at the electrical such as the switch?

Thanks in advance.
I would guess it is the window regulator. However before going through the expense and time involved with replacing the window regulator I'd recommend first checking out the power window switch. Remove the power window switch module, make sure the contacts are clean, and make sure the wire harnesses are securely attached. The electrical contacts can be cleaned by spraying electronics cleaner through a straw resembling a coffee straw (it comes with the can of cleaner and Radio Shack sells it, catalog item #64-4315 ). Probably the wiring is fine. Oh - to get the power window switch out there are two spring clips on the narrow end closest to the parking brake handle; the other narrow end near closest to the ashtray sort of slides into place like a tongue-and-groove fitting so don't try prying the power window switch up there! I have an extra power window switch (from a 4-door S-Series) and I will photograph it to show what these clips look like to help get it out with minimal damage - if you decide to pop it up and out. It might be feasible to get it out cleanly by raising the center console, sticking our arm inside, and squeezing the spring clip things while pushing it out from underneath. My memory is bad, there might not be enough room to do this comfortably. My bet is still on the window regulator but it is best to check the easy and cheap things first!

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