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Old 11-08-2018, 03:35 PM   #1
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Default “Coated” Wheel Weights

Are these “coated” wheel weights?

Here is exactly what I bought:
https://www.alltiresupply.com/produc...-series-coated

If the box of weights I just received are not coated, then do you think POR 15 would work well as a coating I could apply to these wheel weights before they are put on my S-series wheels?

I thought “coated” was like the coated lead wheel weights on the new O.E. wheels from Springhill.
“Coated”, like coated with paint to inhibit a galvanic reaction that wrecks the alloy wheel’s finish.

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Last time, my shop used plastic coated lead weights....

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Old 11-08-2018, 05:45 PM   #3
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Default Re: “Coated” Wheel Weights

Some background info; https://www.moderntiredealer.com/art...-weight-debate.

What you bought is basically incompatible, coated or not, for aluminum rims. The steel clip used to fasten weights to the outside rims simply bite into aluminum. Steel and aluminum react, creating the galvanic action guaranteed for future corrosion. No amount of coating will reduce or eliminate corrosion between the steel clip and its bite into aluminum. Guess how I found out? These clip on weights are fine for steel rims, not for aluminum.

The best way to avoid wheel weights from corroding aluminum rims? Stick on weights placed on the inside of rims. Good/better tire shops know this. Other tire shops may not care at all unless asked about the type of wheel weights. If you ask and a shop replies with confusion, run away and find a shop that knows the difference. If you examine expensive rims, try and find weights on them. They're not using clip on weights.

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:04 PM   #4
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Are these “coated” wheel weights?

Here is exactly what I bought:
https://www.alltiresupply.com/produc...-series-coated

If the box of weights I just received are not coated, then do you think POR 15 would work well as a coating I could apply to these wheel weights before they are put on my S-series wheels?

I thought “coated” was like the coated lead wheel weights on the new O.E. wheels from Springhill.
“Coated”, like coated with paint to inhibit a galvanic reaction that wrecks the alloy wheel’s finish.

Those are already coated with a hard polymer coating. The clip may not be however. The recommended weights for non-steel wheels are stick-on weights that you apply along the centerline of the rim. They are usually coated zinc. The coated lead is a thing of the past, it scares Californians.

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Old 11-08-2018, 11:32 PM   #5
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Default Re: “Coated” Wheel Weights

Sounds like the “coated”, in this case, is a coating to keep the lead from dissolving into the environment. I will verify the profile and see how these weights fit the alloy rims.

Thank you —I’ve request stick-on weights most always...except this time, a “remanufactured” alloy rim is out of balance. I want something in tight contact where material is missing from the “remanufacturing” process. The rim was not centered precisely and the lathe made the face slighty out-of-round. This rim & tire assembly, right now, has srick-on weights. The stick-on weights seem to let the wheel assembly go thru a resonance around 60mph that feels like missing lug nuts.

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Are they clip-on weights, or stick-on weights? Thanks

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Old 11-09-2018, 12:10 AM   #6
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Default Re: “Coated” Wheel Weights

Here is the new AA “MCN” Series lead weight temporarily just setting on an OE Alloy
The profile fit is not too bad. Maybe a few coats of POR 15 will help to reduce galvanic corrosion. I don’t have much choice.

Here are two re-used O.E. Springhill clip-on lead weights on an O.E. alloy wheel
The fit is perfect. Better than the (made for steel wheels) AA “MCN” Series lead weights that I just bought .

(the terms “wheel” and “rim” are used interchangably)

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Old 11-09-2018, 11:20 AM   #7
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Default Re: “Coated” Wheel Weights

If you're presuming the lead weight is creating corrosion from lead/aluminum reaction, you're mistaken. The steel clip biting into coated aluminum rims is the reason for corrosion as it damages clear coating. Once clear coat is broken, aluminum is exposed to air and moisture. Add salt and ruined rims from oxidation are the result. Lead is soft and may or may not damage clear coat. Steel clip-on wheel weights are made to bite into steel rims, not aluminum.

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Old 11-09-2018, 02:33 PM   #8
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Default Re: “Coated” Wheel Weights

That harshness you are feeling at ~60mph is a sign that you have decent static balance and bad/poor dynamic balance. Time for a trip to another balance shop.

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Old 11-10-2018, 01:15 AM   #9
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FWIW-
I stopped using clip on weights on aluminum wheels many years ago.
Their steel clips, as mentioned by several people, cut into the aluminum of the wheels though any clear coat or anodizing.
Corrosion and damage to the wheel are the inevitable results, particularly in snow country, but even here.
Whether or not you take corrosion into account, they just look bad IMHO.

I exclusively use stick-on weights placed along the center line of the wheel and they have worked very well for me with no dynamic balance issues noted, but perhaps I have just been fortunate.
The material of the weights themselves is more or less irrelevant (I personally have no problem at all with lead weights).

I just recently balanced the Camaro wheels and removed..... are you sitting down?.... plastic weights from them.
It makes sense actually.
No two were the same length and they are very flexible and inert.
I presume that they came from a long roll or something and were custom cut to the exact length/weight needed by an automated balancing machine at the factory.
I don't know that for sure, but it appears to be the case.

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Old 11-10-2018, 01:37 AM   #10
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Actually, I have discovered that plastic weights are made by 3M, IMI, BADA and Wurth among others and for OEM applications cut-to-weight seems to be a growing practice.

Oh, and the trend toward lead-free wheel weights started in Europe around 15 years ago, but it is coming to a wheel near you sooner or later......

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I'll see your plastic wheel weights and raise you a plastic camshaft. Insanity, but that is what my son's hovercraft motor has - for now. The real one is enroute to our house from Precision Cams in SC.

In some ways it is genius. It is a Briggs and Stratton 6.5HP vertical shaft engine optimized to run at 2200 RPM. Must be cheap to make.

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Old 11-10-2018, 11:33 AM   #12
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^I have a leaf shredder/vac with a plastic camshaft.^

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If you're presuming the lead weight is creating corrosion from lead/aluminum reaction, you're mistaken. The steel clip biting into coated aluminum rims is the reason for corrosion as it damages clear coating. Once clear coat is broken, aluminum is exposed to air and moisture. Add salt and ruined rims from oxidation are the result. Lead is soft and may or may not damage clear coat. Steel clip-on wheel weights are made to bite into steel rims, not aluminum.
My hope is that the clip gouge will be up under the tire and not on the finished, clear-coated edge of the rim.

Two Front Defender Tyres, #1 and #2:

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If I mark the location of the weight, I can remove it and paint POR 15 on the gouge and then re-install the weight while the POR 15 is still wet. Maybe it will seal good enough

This is the “remanufactured” ebay rim that needs lead weights https://imgur.com/a/5nY9d2y

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For this tyre & wheel, stick-on weights might work.
I had the wobbly tyre removed and replaced with a different tyre. I will check the new tyre for run-out and grind it round with a 24-grit sanding belt. Maybe stick-on weights are good enough for this tyre and wheel.

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OK, you win.

BTW, the plastic weights I mentioned are very, very flexible and are magnetic, so they obviously have iron particles in them.
Still, it isn't a bad idea really.

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OK, you win.

BTW, the plastic weights I mentioned are very, very flexible and are magnetic, so they obviously have iron particles in them.
Still, it isn't a bad idea really.
Interesting. I've seen sign materials that are coated on one side and magnetic. It might just be a similar product with a higher plastic content or something.

As long as they don't mess with the clear coat on the rim, and the old style ones often do.

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......My hope is that the clip gouge will be up under the tire and not on the finished, clear-coated edge of the rim.......
Guess all you want, even if the steel clip bites behind the rim, this too will create a serious problem - the mystery bead leak....... Guess how I know?

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the mystery bead leak....... Guess how I know?
Yes, these very sort of bead leaks have happened to me too and for the same reason.
So I second your experience.

The plastic weights I referred to are not in themselves magnetic by the way.
They are however strongly attracted to magnets.
So I surmise that they contain a high iron content.

The attached photo shows some of them next to a few "regular" weights for comparison.
It is a bit hard to tell from the photos but no two of them are exactly the same size and they have an extremely rubbery texture.
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Guess all you want, even if the steel clip bites behind the rim, this too will create a serious problem - the mystery bead leak....... Guess how I know?
Yes, I know. I realize that salt must never touch alloy wheels. There are stone chips that must be kept full of wax. — And even then, they will corrode if salt touches them.
I have not ever had a rim leak on my Saturn.
For the record, I personally hate gouge-on lead wheel weights on alloy. I am only trying to get round, vibration-free tires just to see if it is possible

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