SaturnFans.com
what's new (beta) - classifieds - forums - photos


Go Back   SaturnFans.com Forums > Models > Saturn S-Series > S-Series General
Register FAQ Members List Groups Calendar Chat Room Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-12-2018, 10:11 PM   #1
cgg17
Member
cgg17 will become famous soon enoughcgg17 will become famous soon enough
 
cgg17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 450

1995 SL2
1999 SL2
Default Tire Cables/ Chains?

Hello all,
Winter is approaching, and I want to know if there are any cables or chains or traction enhancing devices to be had? I really do not want to slip again, especially after my crash last winter that totaled my poor 1994 Sl2.
Any input or ideas is appreciated.
Thanks,
Chris

...
1994 Sl2 5spd: 56,576 (Totaled 1/10/2018)
1995 Sl2 5spd Manual Swap: 150,062
1999 Sl2 4spd: 98,8xx

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to cgg17's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help cgg17 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
cgg17 is offline   Reply With Quote
SaturnFans.com Sponsored Links
Old 09-12-2018, 11:58 PM   #2
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Spikes Spiders are the best that can be had. I have picked them up for cheap/free out here on the left coast.

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 08:10 AM   #3
onlinebiker
Member
onlinebiker is a jewel in the roughonlinebiker is a jewel in the roughonlinebiker is a jewel in the rough
 
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: sw michigan
Posts: 465
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Sure they will work.

Unless you want to do something ridiculous - like turn.


Then the chains will promptly rip out both fender liners - and possibly the front brake lines. There just isn't enough clearance.


But - it'd go like hell in a straight line...

...
92 SC2
93 SC2
93 SW2
97 SL2
97 SC2
99 SC2
02 SC2
02 SL2

parts
2 94 SC2 parted out
3 96 SC2
98 SC2 - rusty frame minus engine.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to onlinebiker's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help onlinebiker reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
onlinebiker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 11:34 AM   #4
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Again -- Spikes Spiders. The only traction devices recommended by Saturn. I've used them for years and never had issues.

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 12:30 PM   #5
cgg17
Member
cgg17 will become famous soon enoughcgg17 will become famous soon enough
 
cgg17's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 450

1995 SL2
1999 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelhogan44 View Post
Again -- Spikes Spiders. The only traction devices recommended by Saturn. I've used them for years and never had issues.
Do they damage tires at all? Im going to put it on steelies and new tires for the winter. Also, do I want 2 or all 4?

...
1994 Sl2 5spd: 56,576 (Totaled 1/10/2018)
1995 Sl2 5spd Manual Swap: 150,062
1999 Sl2 4spd: 98,8xx

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to cgg17's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help cgg17 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
cgg17 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 01:23 PM   #6
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Quote:
Originally Posted by cgg17 View Post
Do they damage tires at all? Im going to put it on steelies and new tires for the winter. Also, do I want 2 or all 4?
Absolutely not. I ran them over my nice set of alloys and my Michelin X-Radial all seasons without any damage.

2 should be fine.

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 02:26 PM   #7
fdryer
Super Member
fdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond reputefdryer has a reputation beyond repute
 
fdryer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: NYC
Posts: 41,317
 

2003 L-Series 3.0L Sedan
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

cgg17, do some research on tire chains. There are many to choose from. And don't restrict yourself to the American market if you want to see what other parts of the world uses for winter traction control. Winter traction devices comes in many varieties. Chains, steel cables, cables with steel beads, plastic over size tire wraps resembling wire ties but with grips, steel cleats that wrap around the tire tread (European?). Some may last only one trip, others last several winter seasons.

I bought a set of plastic polyurethane 'chains' with several pieces spread around the tire and held together with a poly web strap for a sports car with rear wheel drive, years ago. Almost zero tire clearance but they worked in one NYC blizzard when several inches fell overnight. I pulled out of a garage, put them on and drove out onto several inches of fresh snow without losing traction. This was a 5-speed manual and I enjoyed the freedom to drive around but it was noisy on cleared streets. Great on 100% snow and relatively quiet at low speed. I still have them but the car's long gone. Made for 14" wheels.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to fdryer's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help fdryer reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
fdryer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 02:40 PM   #8
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fro...=spikes+spider

I found mine on craigslist for $10

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 02:53 PM   #9
Dsaturn
Member
Dsaturn is a jewel in the roughDsaturn is a jewel in the roughDsaturn is a jewel in the roughDsaturn is a jewel in the rough
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: West Virginia.
Posts: 169
 

2001 L-Series 2.2L Sedan
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

On front wheel drive use them on the front for traction and steering control. Watch A youtube video on how to install. A trick I use is to install on an extra set of wheels and tires for the vehicle. I deflate the tires to about 20 psi and install the chains as tight as possible then reinflate to a couple of pounds below normal pressure. Also when you install them there are always a few links extra hanging loose from where they connect, Zip tie those so they don't flip around while driving. I know that sounds like a lot of extra work but it will save you from having to lay on the ground to hook the chains up when the ground is wet or muddy.
That way if you know a storm is coming and you must go out in it you can install the wheels on the car before the storm hits. I also put the wheels/tires I took off into the trunk for the extra weight and if necessary put them back on if you are at work if the roads get cleared.
Do not exceed 40 mph with chains on.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Dsaturn's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Dsaturn reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Dsaturn is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 03:24 PM   #10
Casper50
Member
Casper50 will become famous soon enough
 
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Leadville, CO
Posts: 56

2001 SC1
2000 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Here's what I run on mine in the snowy mountains of Colorado. No complaints from me. I have a set for each of my vehicles. They hold up good and are super easy to put on.

https://www.etrailer.com/p-TC1530.ht...model=S+Series

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Casper50's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Casper50 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Casper50 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 03:34 PM   #11
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Here's my 1998 SL2 before I brushed away the snow and drove away in the great Western Oregon snowstorm of Feb. 2014. Spikes spiders not visible, but the hubs were installed. I like not having to fuss with chains, Just pop them on and go




...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 03:36 PM   #12
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

16" in one night.


...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 05:38 PM   #13
GTS350
Member
GTS350 is a jewel in the roughGTS350 is a jewel in the roughGTS350 is a jewel in the rough
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: SoCal
Posts: 119

1999 SC2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

I worked in the ski industry for several years and have dealt with every type of "tire chain" there is. I will give you advice based on my experience.
First off on a front wheel drive car you only need chains on the front tires they are both the drive and steer wheels.
Second: As fdryer mentioned there are several types of chains some work great others OK but ALMOST anything is better than nothing.
When installed correctly the actual Chain type are the best for both grip and durability but (if you don't know what you're doing) they may be harder to install.
I don't recommend the chain type on a front wheel drive car in areas where the snow pack comes and goes. It's a drivability issue. The smaller link chains like Casper50 uses aren't bad but there are other options that make the car drive better when you hit those areas where there isn't much snow like we get on our mountains.
The plastic types are less durable and less effective (with a few exceptions) and in many cases harder to install. The style like the Spikes Spyder are convenient and gives great clearance, however are less effective and more likely to come off while driving (since to get that extra clearance they don't wrap around the tire). No disrespect to colonelhogan44 I'm just giving my opinion based on the 1000's of chains I have dealt with. That being said with most people who may use there chains only a couple times a year anything is better than nothing.
I personally prefer a cable chain on front wheel drive cars they are inexpensive, effective, durable, and (if you know what your doing) easy to install.

...
1999 Saturn SC2 (automatic) 23,000 orig miles (9/10/16)
1996 BMW E36
1971 Holden Monaro GTS 350
1908 Buick Model 10

Last edited by GTS350; 09-13-2018 at 05:51 PM..

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to GTS350's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help GTS350 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
GTS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 06:22 PM   #14
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTS350 View Post
The style like the Spikes Spyder are convenient and gives great clearance, however are less effective and more likely to come off while driving (since to get that extra clearance they don't wrap around the tire).
Have you ever seen a set of Spikes Spiders come off of a car while driving? They are locked to the lug nuts (screwed into them, actually), so I think this is VERY highly unlikely. They are not relying on wrapping around the tires to stay in place...

I have, however, seen many a chain come loose and cause anything from minor headaches to major problems.

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 10:06 PM   #15
GTS350
Member
GTS350 is a jewel in the roughGTS350 is a jewel in the roughGTS350 is a jewel in the rough
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: SoCal
Posts: 119

1999 SC2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Quote:
Originally Posted by colonelhogan44 View Post
Have you ever seen a set of Spikes Spiders come off of a car while driving? They are locked to the lug nuts (screwed into them, actually), so I think this is VERY highly unlikely. They are not relying on wrapping around the tires to stay in place...

I have, however, seen many a chain come loose and cause anything from minor headaches to major problems.
I have seen the Individual arms break and I have seen the Spike assembly separate from the hub. Ironically one of those was on a factory reps new Audi and it did cause damage to the car. That and the price are the main reasons I don't recommend them.
When MSRP can be as high as $700+ (depending on size and model) $450 for the Saturn size and you can pick them up for like you said "cheap/free" there is a reason.

I to have seen allot of damage caused by chains. I would say over 90% of the time it is because they were installed wrong or were old, both of which are avoidable with common sense.
Again I'm only speaking from my experience. I'm glad Spikes Spiders work well for you.

...
1999 Saturn SC2 (automatic) 23,000 orig miles (9/10/16)
1996 BMW E36
1971 Holden Monaro GTS 350
1908 Buick Model 10

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to GTS350's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help GTS350 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
GTS350 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 09-13-2018, 10:38 PM   #16
colonelhogan44
Senior Member
colonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nicecolonelhogan44 is just really nice
 
colonelhogan44's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Central Valley, CA
Posts: 1,949
 

1998 SL2
Default Re: Tire Cables/ Chains?

Quote:
Originally Posted by GTS350 View Post
I have seen the Individual arms break and I have seen the Spike assembly separate from the hub. Ironically one of those was on a factory reps new Audi and it did cause damage to the car. That and the price are the main reasons I don't recommend them.
When MSRP can be as high as $700+ (depending on size and model) $450 for the Saturn size and you can pick them up for like you said "cheap/free" there is a reason.

I to have seen allot of damage caused by chains. I would say over 90% of the time it is because they were installed wrong or were old, both of which are avoidable with common sense.
Again I'm only speaking from my experience. I'm glad Spikes Spiders work well for you.
The reason I got them cheap/free is that I live in a very snow-free area, and both people had moved in from snow zones and sold the Saturn. That and they are vehicle specific and not well known leads to a small pool of buyers. Anyway, to each his own.

...
MechE - I make things!

EGR ADAPTERS AVAILABLE! $30 "reverse" $40 standard

1998 SL2 (gone, never forgotten)
2005 Volvo S40 T5 AWD
1987 Mercedes 300D
1993 Tracker 4x4
1996 Tracker 4x4

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to colonelhogan44's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help colonelhogan44 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
colonelhogan44 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Recommend snow cables/chains/spiders Chris Arnold S-Series General 0 03-02-2018 11:07 PM
Chains Cables Spiders watchmefly S-Series Tech 9 12-26-2008 02:24 AM
Chains or cables? zachb Aura General 0 12-10-2006 03:49 AM
Snow Chains/Cables on a FWD? 3Nailz1Cross Vue General 4 10-21-2004 08:22 PM
Can we use Snow Chains\Cables? caius Vue General 10 02-05-2004 09:40 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:20 AM.

Advanced Forum Search | Advanced Photo Search


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SaturnFans.com. The Saturn Enthusiasts Site.