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Old 08-19-2018, 08:53 PM   #1
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Thumbs Up So long and thanks for all the fish........

Well, after almost 12 years my journey as a Saturn owner came to an end as of this morning.

My beloved 1997 SC2 now has a new home with a long time friend and fellow Saturn enthusiast up in the redwood forests near Santa Cruz.
I had the early morning thrill of driving it up beautiful winding mountain roads before handing over the keys.
I will be seeing it again from time to time, so it is not entirely lost to me.

Its successor has around 3x the horsepower and is a lot of fun to drive.
I am already becoming accustomed to its quirks and perks.

I want to sincerely thank Charlie and everyone else on this utterly excellent forum.
I cannot begin to tell you what a wonderful and gratifying experience it has been.
Thank you each and every one for your patience, your kindness, and your Saturn-ness.

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OMG! You're leaving??

Thanks for all of your memorable contributions!

Come back & chime in once & a while...........

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Old 08-20-2018, 09:13 AM   #3
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Hi Pitcher,

Thanks for the kind sentiments, I appreciate it.
Yes, I will stop in from time to time.
I had no intention of disappearing entirely.

As for the SC2, it has actually been one of the best cars I have ever owned.
Sure, it required a fair number of repairs, but it was easy and cheap to repair (unlike certain German cars I have owned in the past ).
But my situation and interests have changed and I found myself increasingly wanting another "muscle" car.
And my friend who now has the SC2 really needed it because of his particular situation.
I know it has gone to a good home and fellow enthusiast who will appreciate and maintain it, otherwise I couldn't bear parting with it.

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Let's do lunch at Milliways.......




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Old 08-20-2018, 09:38 AM   #5
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Sure, we'll try to convince Marvin to activate the Heart of Gold and motor on over there.

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Thanks for all the info over these years and keep it wheel side down with the new car.

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Old 08-20-2018, 01:02 PM   #7
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+1, can't tell you how many DIYguy links I have saved over the years (OMG, it's been years since I bought my first Saturn and joined the forum ), to pull out and share with some new person


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your Saturn-ness
Say, you wouldn't be a fan of sci-fi author David Brin by any chance?
"Saturn-ness" reminds me of "Otherness" for some reason

So - Camaro is going to be the new commuter car?

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keep it wheel side down with the new car.

Always good common sense advice from OldNuc

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Sure, we'll try to convince Marvin to activate the Heart of Gold and motor on over there.
I think Marvin is in the parking garage.



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Old 08-20-2018, 08:36 PM   #9
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onlinebiker-
I think we left Marvin on Magrathea didn't we?
I can't remember, let's ask Slartibartfast, he'll know.
Oh, and please don't invite any Vogons.

alordofchaos-
Thank you for referencing my posts and musings, I am quite flattered.
I hope that I have added something to the community and knowledge pool.
That's all I ever wanted to do- to give something back.
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I may have read some David Brin books, but it has been a while.
I just used "Saturn-ness" to describe the state of mind that Saturn owners share communally.
It is really a pretty cool thing that I have not experienced elsewhere.
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So - Camaro is going to be the new commuter car? Yes basically.
I will take a gas mileage hit of course, as well as higher insurance and DMV fees, but it is really fun to drive and I am not getting any younger.

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I have always valued your inputs and sage advice.
Thank you very much for everything.
This community would be so very much less without you.
Please keep on keeping on.......
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I hope that I have added something to the community and knowledge pool.
That's all I ever wanted to do- to give something back.
I would say you have added significantly and substantially to the Saturn body of knowledge

You can tell because I have a long list of "DIYguy mods" that I want or plan to do to my cars, eventually. I'm just not as motivated as some

Although in theory, I should have both more time and fun money in the next few years. Finished my JD in May (magna cum laude, woo hoo! ), though I'm also driving my youngest off on Monday to NY to start his freshman year in college, so I might be poor for another three~four years

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Well no S Series is ever going to be a Camaro, so we can't blame you for that decision.

You've without doubt given much back to the forums, and the in depth information you've provided on several issues is used by many. I often find myself in a similar situation to alordofchaos where I find it would quicker and more helpful to just link one of your posts that probably explain it better than I would have, and most often have photos as well.

I'm glad you managed to place the car with someone that will appreciate it and take care of it. They are some cool little cars that have their place.

If you ever look at the gas receipts after filling up the Camaro a lot more, stop by and remember the Saturn-ness, and the price paid for low gas bills!

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Can’t let you get away without thanking you for your Hub-Centric Musings and Experiments:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=177214
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Well, after almost 12 years my journey as a Saturn owner came to an end as of this morning.

My beloved 1997 SC2 now has a new home with a long time friend and fellow Saturn enthusiast up in the redwood forests near Santa Cruz.
I had the early morning thrill of driving it up beautiful winding mountain roads before handing over the keys.
I will be seeing it again from time to time, so it is not entirely lost to me.

Its successor has around 3x the horsepower and is a lot of fun to drive.
I am already becoming accustomed to its quirks and perks.

I want to sincerely thank Charlie and everyone else on this utterly excellent forum.
I cannot begin to tell you what a wonderful and gratifying experience it has been.
Thank you each and every one for your patience, your kindness, and your Saturn-ness.
Your insight and automotive wisdom is certainly going to be missed, because you are a "hands-on " guy. Reading your signature, I will assess that the 6th Gen, 4,000+ lbs Camaro with the LS engine in it is going to replace the 1997 SC2. Well, I HOPE it has the LS engine in it. If it has that 3.6L DOHC V6, you better keep that friend's phone number and be willing to buy your Saturn back after 80k miles. Just trust me on that.

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Congratulations! I studied patent law but that's about as close as I came to a JD. I hope it works well for you.

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If you ever look at the gas receipts after filling up the Camaro a lot more, stop by and remember the Saturn-ness, and the price paid for low gas bills!
Well, actually, so far I am averaging around 33mpg in the commuter grind, so it is not all that bad.
But time will tell of course.
It has a huge gas tank, so no more eeking along trying to squeeze a week's commute out of a tank fill.

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You are quite welcome.
The person who bought it from me knew all about what I had done in that regard and will carry on the tradition of hub shimming because it just works!
I tell people what I did and most of them look at me like I have lost my mind.... until they ride in the car.
Then they become believers.
I'll be checking the Camaro's hub clearances soon too, but it rides very well already (OK, so it's not a Cadillac).

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I will assess that the 6th Gen, 4,000+ lbs Camaro with the LS engine in it is going to replace the 1997 SC2. Well, I HOPE it has the LS engine in it. If it has that 3.6L DOHC V6, you better keep that friend's phone number and be willing to buy your Saturn back after 80k miles. Just trust me on that.
Well, actually it does have the latest V6 and it only weighs in around 3400 pounds +/- (a major weight reduction from gen 5).
I knew going into it that there are issues with intake valve clogging, cam chain life and VVT malfunctions.
But the common wisdom is that it is mostly to do with the direct injection not washing the intake valves and blindly following GM's "planned obsolescence" oil change interval minder rather than relying upon common sense.
I will be changing the oil this coming weekend (RP of course) and will be either fabricating or purchasing a heavy duty baffled catch can for the PCV system.
It will see fresh oil and filters every 3500-4500 miles, and will be used 95% for highway travel as was the SC2.
GM did make quite a few changes to the V6 for gen 6 cars as opposed to gen 5 cars.
That, and the lighter weight, were the major reasons I opted for a gen 6 car, despite the push button starter and certain other "features" I don't care for all that much.
Oh, and at ~6' 1" in height I fit in it just fine, headroom and all (the power seats are quite nice).
In fact it is easier for me to get in and out of than the SC2.

It will also receive an under-hood supercapacitor battery booster soon because the battery is in the trunk.
I am running them on the truck, the Cruze and the bike (in various sizes).
I will probably add an 83.3 farad one like we have on the truck due to the larger engine size.
They make a world of difference, let me tell you.
I highly recommend them, particularly in colder climates.
They are not YouTube hype, they actually work.
FWIW.....

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I have 2 of those cap banks in the car and they solve lots of issues. The large one uses the beer can sized caps. There is a smaller one under the center console to keep the IP BAT fed at a decent voltage under load.

I am less than impressed by the latest computer controlled cars that run on lord knows what buggy OS.

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I have 2 of those cap banks in the car and they solve lots of issues. The large one uses the beer can sized caps. There is a smaller one under the center console to keep the IP BAT fed at a decent voltage under load.

I am less than impressed by the latest computer controlled cars that run on lord knows what buggy OS.
uh... for a friend and all, got any links, i... he's been looking at them but not a lot of info on installing or what to even get.

thanks in advance.


On the plus side, at least newer vehicles aren't... well don't seem as locked down computer wise anymore. So pretty much anyone can edit or flash anymore with the correct hardware and software.

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First you have to find out what you can buy today for reasonable money. That means some ebay searching. You need a protection/balance board to match the caps you find. You will need 6 or 7 caps. A trip to YouTube will show you how you connect all of this up so it works and does not kill your battery as discharged capacitors will look like a very low impedance to the battery(short circuit). Charging current is limited by the attached wiring between the battery and capacitors -- voltage drop on the connectors.

The big 3000fd caps may be now priced out of any reasonable range ac they make a 500fd bank that will give you 2-3 start attempts with no battery connected at all.

You can find assembled units ready to install as well as component parts.

The unit connected to the IP BAT circuit is only for maintaining system voltage when that circuit is subjected to short term heavy loads and used the capacitors the size of a common D cell.

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Sorry to see such a valuable contributor retire.

If somebody figures out how to get more fish will it change your mind?

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I want to echo the prior comments. Thanks for your contributions. I still have your side gapped autolite plugs you sent me, although not in the car now

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I have 2 of those cap banks in the car and they solve lots of issues. The large one uses the beer can sized caps. There is a smaller one under the center console to keep the IP BAT fed at a decent voltage under load.

I am less than impressed by the latest computer controlled cars that run on lord knows what buggy OS.
So something like the product below just attaches to the battery terminals and it enhances the electrical system in the car?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-Capac...-/172549137838

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