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Old 06-16-2018, 09:56 PM   #1
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Default Cleaning ignition coil pack?

Been looking for more detail on how to clean the coils, etc. I see to use a Scotch-brite pad to remove the crud on the coil pack surfaces and the bolts, including under the bolt heads. Question is, do I coat the entire surface of the coils and bolts with, like a dialectic grease before assembling? Thank you.

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Old 06-17-2018, 07:35 AM   #2
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Keep that grease off of anything EXCEPT the 4 aluminum plug wire connections. Everything else is just cleaned up. There is no electrical contact to the back plate either. The circuit ground is through the connector and the RFI/EMI ground is through the brass rings the bolts pass through.

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Old 06-17-2018, 09:16 AM   #3
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Keep that grease off of anything EXCEPT the 4 aluminum plug wire connections. Everything else is just cleaned up. There is no electrical contact to the back plate either. The circuit ground is through the connector and the RFI/EMI ground is through the brass rings the bolts pass through.
Oh my gosh, I'm pretty sure that years ago, when I cleaned the coil pack, I put a thin layer of dielectric grease on this surface and the mating part! So, when I clean those aluminum plug wire connections (haven't taken it apart yet) are those simply where the other end of the spark plug wires connect?
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Old 06-17-2018, 09:54 AM   #4
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Yes, the 4 towers the plug wires connect to. There is a huge misconception that the rear plate of the ICM actually makes physical contact with the transmission bell housing, as you can clearly see it does not, only at the corners. It is an air cooled device.

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Old 06-17-2018, 10:07 AM   #5
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Yes, the 4 towers the plug wires connect to. There is a huge misconception that the rear plate of the ICM actually makes physical contact with the transmission bell housing, as you can clearly see it does not, only at the corners. It is an air cooled device.
I'm pretty sure that years ago, it was recommended, on this site (by some) to coat those large surfaces with the grease to help stop corrosion. But in effect, that would probably cut down on the cooling affect, huh. So, I just clean everything up and only grease the plug connections. If there is any hesitation in acceleration, and that problem is connected to the coil packs, is it because of dirty plug connectors?

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Old 06-17-2018, 11:36 AM   #6
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I'm pretty sure that years ago, it was recommended, on this site (by some) to coat those large surfaces with the grease to help stop corrosion. But in effect, that would probably cut down on the cooling affect, huh. So, I just clean everything up and only grease the plug connections. If there is any hesitation in acceleration, and that problem is connected to the coil packs, is it because of dirty plug connectors?
Or is any hesitation problem more than just cleaning those terminals and I may need a whole new coil pack? Thanks for anymore info.

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Old 06-17-2018, 12:25 PM   #7
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The old BS regarding smearing with silicone grease is just that, BS. Keep that stuff where it belongs as it will collect dirt and airborne contaminants leading to more issues.

Gently clean the terminals and those should be LIGHTLY greased to stop or retard the aluminum corrosion. Nothing else needs or benefits from being greased.

Yes, it is possible the entire module is failing but you are not going to be able to tell that until all plugs and wires are fresh out of the box new.

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Old 06-17-2018, 12:59 PM   #8
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The old BS regarding smearing with silicone grease is just that, BS. Keep that stuff where it belongs as it will collect dirt and airborne contaminants leading to more issues.

Gently clean the terminals and those should be LIGHTLY greased to stop or retard the aluminum corrosion. Nothing else needs or benefits from being greased.

Yes, it is possible the entire module is failing but you are not going to be able to tell that until all plugs and wires are fresh out of the box new.
Okay, great. I've pretty much got brand new plugs and wires so I'll clean the coil "blocks" and terminals and see if that slight hesitation problem goes away. Changing the ECTS really, really helped but when the car gets hot (but not always) it will sometimes hesitate so I'm hoping it's the coil pack. Will clean today. Thank you for the info!!

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Old 06-17-2018, 02:49 PM   #9
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Often ignition related misses like that will take place more when at temp, and often under certain load conditions.

Once the coil packs are clean, make sure you don't get any dielectric or anything slick under the boots at the coil pack end. The way they taper any extra lube will try to push them off the coil pack with many wire sets.

As for corrosion protection, I've always just given the bolts a shot of WD40 now and then. Displaces water, and is thin enough to not attract dirt and crappola to the area you use it on.

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Old 06-17-2018, 04:00 PM   #10
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Often ignition related misses like that will take place more when at temp, and often under certain load conditions.

Once the coil packs are clean, make sure you don't get any dielectric or anything slick under the boots at the coil pack end. The way they taper any extra lube will try to push them off the coil pack with many wire sets.

As for corrosion protection, I've always just given the bolts a shot of WD40 now and then. Displaces water, and is thin enough to not attract dirt and crappola to the area you use it on.
Thanks for that info. You know, thinking about this more, the car's got "somewhere" around 300K (broken odometer long ago) I wonder if it would just be a good idea to get a whole new coil pack? I looked in Rock Auto and can pick up a Delphi (good brand????) for around $22.79 plus delivery, etc. And seeing as how it's so simple to install, I may just go with the new one. And even if that doesn't turn out to be the problem, hey, since I'm going to keep the ole girl for years, I just might treat her well and buy her a brand new pack. Who knows, after all these years, there may be cracks in the old one that I can't visually see. Any suggestions on buying a "good" one???? Any preferences anyone?

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Do not buy an aftermarket unit. High failure rate with those. Local Pick and Pull sells the complete assembly cheap.

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Do not buy an aftermarket unit. High failure rate with those. Local Pick and Pull sells the complete assembly cheap.
Considering Delphi used to be part of G.M. would that still be aftermarket? And if I go with one from the Junk Yard, as long as I find one with only, maybe 100K miles, that would be better than what I have---as long as the number of years don't make a difference? Then, I see that AC Delco offers one for around $41.
Think I'll check the junk yard first. Thanks, OldNuc.

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I personally tend to think that people over think coils. They are a fairly simple device. There are always camps that say go with OEM as they are superior.... but they are replacing broken superior parts?


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I dont have experience with the coils you mention, but I have used Accel, MSD and JEG's coils and never had an issue.
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NAPA/Echlin Ignition Coils

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I personally tend to think that people over think coils. They are a fairly simple device. There are always camps that say go with OEM as they are superior.... but they are replacing broken superior parts?
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Being that Low Saturn has owned more S Series cars than I care to think about, I tend to trust what he has to say about them.
Thanks for that info, Signmaster. I'll really shop around before I buy.

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In my experience coils are nearly bullet proof while ICM's are crap. Not that either are failure prone, but if you're having spark issues blame the ICM before the coil packs.

I ran coils from a 3.1 V6 for a while too. Not 100% sure it was required but I read that they have reverse polarity compared to S-Series so instead of the normal 4123 it was 1432. Car rusted out before I had any issue's with the setup, though that might have been the car I hit 38mpg highway with when everything else topped at 35-36...hmmm... lol

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In my experience coils are nearly bullet proof while ICM's are crap. Not that either are failure prone, but if you're having spark issues blame the ICM before the coil packs.

I ran coils from a 3.1 V6 for a while too. Not 100% sure it was required but I read that they have reverse polarity compared to S-Series so instead of the normal 4123 it was 1432. Car rusted out before I had any issue's with the setup, though that might have been the car I hit 38mpg highway with when everything else topped at 35-36...hmmm... lol
Ugg---how much are we talking about for an ICM replacement? (Because, I'm really shooting in the dark here and looking for answers)
Or let me ask this---------with around 300K on the car, aren't I just about due for a new ignition coil anyway????

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Depends on what your JY charges, the ones local to me I can get loaded ICMs for under $50 (ICM w/Coils).

ICM's are '91-'92, '93-'95, '96-'02*

*'96-'99 don't have the idiotic bolt down plug wire stupidity '00-'02's do.

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Depends on what your JY charges, the ones local to me I can get loaded ICMs for under $50 (ICM w/Coils).

ICM's are '91-'92, '93-'95, '96-'02*

*'96-'99 don't have the idiotic bolt down plug wire stupidity '00-'02's do.
Yeah, but I see that the new ones on RockAuto run from about $80 to over $100. If I buy at a junk yard, aren't I just jumping out of the pot and back into the fire, considering they're old with many miles??

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The 97-99 vintage have a very good history of no failures and any JY will give you some kind of a warranty. Look for a clean one with no rust on the coil laminations and low mileage well maintained car. They are not hard to find either. 20-30$ and less on 1/2 price days. The 00-02 are also failure prone.

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The 97-99 vintage have a very good history of no failures and any JY will give you some kind of a warranty. Look for a clean one with no rust on the coil laminations and low mileage well maintained car. They are not hard to find either. 20-30$ and less on 1/2 price days. The 00-02 are also failure prone.
Okay, will do. So---the ICM is the "bottom" part of the assembly and the coil is the "top part" of the assembly and I should look for both of these in good condition, on a lower mileage junker---from 97 to 99? Thank you! (Since it's not a pressing matter, I will wait for the next, junk yard 40% off sale.)

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