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Old 04-24-2018, 12:11 AM   #1
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Default Engine mount question

I can't take the vibration anymore, I'm planning on replacing all the engine mounts on my 01 SL1. I've ordered the Energy Suspension dog bone inserts, I would like to use OEM top and transmission mounts but I'm not having any luck finding them. Are they still available or am I stuck with aftermarket? If I have to go A/M what brand should I look for?

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Old 04-24-2018, 05:37 AM   #2
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If you want to go OE this is pretty much your only option, it's also the one I'm currently using now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/92-02-Satur...-/263337172144

If you want to go after market though people on amazon and here on the forms seem to like this one the most. I haven't tried it though so I don't know how it compares to OE.
https://www.amazon.com/Westar-EM2827.../dp/B000C9B5EE

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Old 04-24-2018, 08:02 AM   #3
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You're stick of vibrations yet buy solid mounts to put into it? That's the opposite way you should be going if vibrations are truly the issue. Don't get me wrong, if it were left up to me I'd say shove 3M WindowWeld into all the engine mounts

Not sure I can recommend paying $150 for a NOS rubber part, paying dealer price of $100ish was hard enough to justify but now that it's not been produced for 5+ years? Yeah, no thanks. It would have to last 10 years to be cheaper than buying a $16 mount yearly, and I don't see that happening.

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Old 04-24-2018, 09:37 AM   #4
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I ran a solid rubber Anchor aftermarket mount for about 8 years / 100k miles. Still in good shape. Avoid the ones with the frowny face on the fronts; they take care of the vibrations but don't seem to last long.

You'll need to open the box at the auto parts store as both types have the same part number, DEA 2827. A fellow saturnfan went to the same exact store where I bought the mount on the right below, and when he opened the box, it was a frownie mount.


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Old 05-01-2018, 11:20 AM   #5
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If you want to go OE this is pretty much your only option, it's also the one I'm currently using now.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/92-02-Satur...-/263337172144

If you want to go after market though people on amazon and here on the forms seem to like this one the most. I haven't tried it though so I don't know how it compares to OE.
https://www.amazon.com/Westar-EM2827.../dp/B000C9B5EE
Wow! This guy find the what could be the LAST remaining OEM mounts! If you want to get rid of the vibration, this is what you need. Steep price to pay at $150, but that's what it takes.

Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but even though the Westar and DEA make the solid-type mounts, they will NOT get rid of vibration. In fact, they may make it worse. The frowny style mounts may actually do a bit better job of absorbing vibration, but they still aren't very good. Trust me, I've had experiences with ALL the different mounts. There's just no substitute for the OEM engine mount. And unfortunately they are discontinued

PS Online dealers still sell the OEM trans and torque strut mounts, however the most important one is the top engine mount.

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Old 05-01-2018, 11:54 AM   #6
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Anything is better than a worn out mount. I can't imagine paying $150 for one though. I've put the $16 Westar top mount from Amazon on 3 different cars (1996 sl1, 2001 sl2, 1997 sw2) and have had buttery smooth results with all 3, no more rattles.

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Old 05-01-2018, 01:15 PM   #7
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Wow! This guy find the what could be the LAST remaining OEM mounts! If you want to get rid of the vibration, this is what you need. Steep price to pay at $150, but that's what it takes.
The current listing says 150 but that's definitely more than what I payed. (To be fair I payed 140 but still, price rise for no reason)

Also I'm not the one who originally found that mount. A while back when I was looking for a mount, toggenburg was the one who found it for me. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...38&postcount=4

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Old 05-02-2018, 01:14 AM   #8
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The current listing says 150 but that's definitely more than what I payed. (To be fair I payed 140 but still, price rise for no reason)

Also I'm not the one who originally found that mount. A while back when I was looking for a mount, toggenburg was the one who found it for me. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...38&postcount=4
Oh, great thread. Glad to see that you got rid of your vibration issues. But more importantly, I'm so glad to see that I can still find genuine OEM top mounts for my SL1 if I need one. I'll have to work some OT to pay for it, but at least it's available

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Old 05-02-2018, 10:04 AM   #9
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I have a quick question related to this post but not really big enough for its own post. I too am replacing my engine mount (Saturn SL2 1996) due to a broken stud and I'm missing one of the bolts that goes on the stud. The studs are part No 11518885 but I can't find the specs for the bolts. Does anyone know the bolt size so I can get a replacement? Thanks for your help

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Old 05-02-2018, 10:28 AM   #10
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Forgive me, I tried to edit my post but couldn't figure out how. I said bolt but I should have said nut. I'm missing the Engine mount stud nut and need to replace it. Its not obvious how big the nut is and my google-fu turned up nothing. Any help would be appreciated

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Forgive me, I tried to edit my post but couldn't figure out how. I said bolt but I should have said nut. I'm missing the Engine mount stud nut and need to replace it. Its not obvious how big the nut is and my google-fu turned up nothing. Any help would be appreciated
You can pull one from the junkyard for free, or just take the nut with you to a hardware store and find a matching one. They're not particularly special so any similar nut with the correct thread pitch will do.

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You can pull one from the junkyard for free, or just take the nut with you to a hardware store and find a matching one. They're not particularly special so any similar nut with the correct thread pitch will do.
Thank you Erik, I know the quality of the stud is important but I don't really have enough experience to know how important the nuts are. I'm glad to hear just about anything that fits will do.

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Old 05-02-2018, 12:13 PM   #13
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I've had ok luck taking a 1/8" drill bit and basically making holes in the rubber of an aftermarket mount that's not the frown face. This made the mount artificially softer so the engine wasn't shattering your teeth while it's idling.

This helps, but does not come anywhere close to OEM. I've only done it twice in a pinch where the owner doesn't have money for an OEM mount and I don't have time to find a quality used one at the junkyard.

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If I have to go A/M what brand should I look for?
I had the same problem. I went aftermarket based on the price difference. Based on this forum's recommendations and Amazon user reviews, I chose the WESTAR EM2827.

Rockauto https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo...266768&jsn=359

Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Westar-EM2827...4&sr=1-1-fkmr0

Despite the picture, it is a solid mount not the frowny design.

One caveat though, I did have to slightly enlarge the holes, with a dremel, on the frame side to get it to fit properly. That took less than 10 minutes.

A very good deal for ~$20 shipped.

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My early 2017 production DEA mount has served me well, getting to the point of replacement.

When it comes to engine vibration, Im pretty sure it was oldnuc who said it depends on the condition of your engine. If you have a smooth running engine, solid/stiffer mounts aren't going to cause much of an problem. I'm also running a prothane lower dog-bone, nothing really noticable.

Another point to focus on on, is to zero your dog-bone mounts, improper alignment can cause increased vibrations out the wazoo. Park on a level surface, Loosen the two bolts that secure the mount under passnger side dog-bone, then loosen the two bolts holding the driver side bone to the frame and trans. Give the engine a good shake back and forth, then tighten the bolts back up and enjoy ^ .^

Best to do periodically and especially after TAM replacement.

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