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Old 03-14-2018, 08:14 AM   #1
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Default 2005 Saturn Vue Redline - Issues/Diagnose

I've had my Vue for 5 years now or so. Inherited it with 18K in 2013. Then I moved to the midwest.

So currently I have this terrible creaking sound when I seem to be going down inclines, while turning. I just had that front brakes done and rear brakes checked last week. So all brakes are good and Midas said the whole front end is tight.

I posted a short MP3 Here of the sound.
EDIT* I tried to post a line to instaud.io /1U43 but I need to post 15 more times first.

My next two questions are probably much simpler. My driver side front door doesn't lock via the keyless entry anymore. It started last year and sounded slow until it just all out failed. Do you have any suggestions on troubleshooting?


Sorry in advance, as I googled the creaking noise for about a month now. I found results saying it's the steering column, it's the sway bars, it's the brakes, it's the midwest rock salt, and etc. So I figured linking to the sound might be best.

Thanks for any input and help.
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:18 PM   #2
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Still take a good look at the endlinks. We already know that's a common issue with these cars. Cost to replace them isnt much.

I would then move over to the strut mounts if the issues continues after the endlinks are replaced.

How many miles on the RL?

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Old 03-14-2018, 02:39 PM   #3
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55,000 miles.

Any mechanic shop or should i go to the GM dealer?

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Old 03-14-2018, 04:21 PM   #4
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Whether you visit a dealership or an independent repair shop, keep in mind that most mechanics have actually worked on few, or no Saturn vehicles of any model. Dealership mechanics typically are working on cars that are seven years old or less. In my area of Los Angeles County I know that the vast majority of independent shops haven't worked on a Saturn of any kind before. If it were me, I would seek out a trusted independent repair shop as I would expect to be treated more fairly there and the mechanics tend to be more interested in the work.

(A dealership mechanic might see your car and decide he really doesn't care. He may then recommend a bundle of expensive work to the service advisor which he expects will be declined, and at that point he's reasonably sure he'll never be bothered with that car again. I'm not saying this will happen, but I have known this to have occurred.)

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Old 03-14-2018, 04:38 PM   #5
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55,000 miles.

Any mechanic shop or should i go to the GM dealer?
The endlinks aren't very difficult to replace. Here's a youtube video to help you if you decide to do the job yourself. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SP9e9cSgGA

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Old 03-14-2018, 04:50 PM   #6
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Indy shops are great if they're familiar with unique problems to one vehicle. Creaking can be suspension, steering, chassis, anything and may wind up as a witch hunt. Fortunately, these forums seem to concentrate almost every ill related to each model without going to a dealer or general repair shop. My guess, from reading these forums, is your steering column shaft is rubbing in the rubber boot meant to keep noise, wind and dirt from entering and because of the steep angle between steering shaft and steering rack. You can also google for videos on this too with several solutions, mostly about lubricating the boot to shaft friction to eliminate creaking. As you found out, Midas is good enough to cover their assess and then some by stating brakes and suspension are tight but don't have a clue where the creaking noise is emanation from. It's not a fault of Midas but like most businesses they're expert in their field but may be totally lacking in other areas unrelated to their area of expertise. GM would be in a better position if their techs keep up with service bulletins that may point out rubbing noises in steering columns of Vues. Once Saturn folded, techs not absorbed into GM dealers become lost knowledge to remaining dealers not familiar with Saturns. Third party sites like Saturnfans collects all the peculiarities dealers lose when Saturn went away and continues on as another 'antique'(?) site.

I'll bet the driver's electric door lock solenoid may be dead, sticking, or broken wiring, requiring careful troubleshooting. Try the door lock/unlock button. This may be worn or broken too.

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Old 03-30-2018, 08:09 AM   #7
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Wow! Thanks so much to all of you! I appreciate your time and respect for a newbie poster.

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Old 03-30-2018, 09:13 AM   #8
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So they want to replace the following since the right strut is leaking.
172217 F Quick Strut Assy
172218 F Quick Strut Assy
1880460 SWAY BAR LINK/KIT
1880461 SWAY BAR LINK/KIT.

The quick struts are Monroe. Should I look at a different brand? They was $336 for each strut parts only. I can get them both for $351.

Anything else that should be replaced at the same time? Performance sway bars?

Thanks

Update: Shop says itís $312 because the parts are warranties?

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Old 03-30-2018, 12:15 PM   #9
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So they want to replace the following since the right strut is leaking.
172217 F Quick Strut Assy
172218 F Quick Strut Assy
1880460 SWAY BAR LINK/KIT
1880461 SWAY BAR LINK/KIT.

The quick struts are Monroe. Should I look at a different brand? They was $336 for each strut parts only. I can get them both for $351.

Anything else that should be replaced at the same time? Performance sway bars?

Thanks

Update: Shop says itís $312 because the parts are warranties?
Since you have a Red Line, you want to stay clear of the quick strut assemblies unless you want it to ride higher. The springs on those are for the standard model Vues. The RL came with performance springs which dropped the ride height 1.5-2 inches, cant recall the exact drop. You want to purchase the struts and mounts and reuse the springs. I went with the KYB's front and back and i'm very happy with how they ride.

As for the endlinks, I went with the MOOG K80460 & MOOG K80461 since they have grease fittings and the ones that you mentioned look like they dont.

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Old 03-30-2018, 12:45 PM   #10
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Looks like you're planning to have a shop do all the work. Since I'm about to order pretty much the same parts as you I thought it was worth showing you how much you're overpaying. I priced out your parts on Rockauto and also included new rear shocks since these would be essentially free with the current Monroe $75 rebate applying to a set of 4 struts and shocks. Cart totals right around $400 and I'm sure there's a discount code (5%) on the forum bringing it down to about $380 with shipping. Take out the $75 rebate and you're right around $300. I think most here will agree that this is not a particularly difficult undertaking. I'm sure this would be in the $1000+ area if a shop does it.

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I'd find it suspect that a 55,000 mile strut is leaking such that it should be replaced. I've replaced struts on two of these models but they were over 190,000 miles on the originals.

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I'd find it suspect that a 55,000 mile strut is leaking such that it should be replaced. I've replaced struts on two of these models but they were over 190,000 miles on the originals.
I know what you mean. I was just at Midas for brakes, and they do struts as well. They told me everything looks good, nothing was greasable for the squeak.

So then I took it to Clay Dooley in Bloomington, IL (Bigger Auto Shop) and I told them about the squeak and they came back with those Monroe Quick Assembly Struts and Sway/Link Kits. They said one was leaking.

I don't know. I guess I can go for a 3rd opinion. I did buy the Moog End Link Kits Left and Right and maybe just have them change those and see what happens?

P.s. Sorry for the late reply, I'm not getting notifications.

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Old 04-02-2018, 08:31 AM   #13
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Looks like you're planning to have a shop do all the work. Since I'm about to order pretty much the same parts as you I thought it was worth showing you how much you're overpaying. I priced out your parts on Rockauto and also included new rear shocks since these would be essentially free with the current Monroe $75 rebate applying to a set of 4 struts and shocks. Cart totals right around $400 and I'm sure there's a discount code (5%) on the forum bringing it down to about $380 with shipping. Take out the $75 rebate and you're right around $300. I think most here will agree that this is not a particularly difficult undertaking. I'm sure this would be in the $1000+ area if a shop does it.
Are you using your existing springs? Like the poster said below your comment the monroe kit will raise your vehicle.

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Used Monroe struts with the existing springs.





as well as their strut mounts.



Shops use quick struts because it's quicker for them to install but will still charge you through the nose.

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Thanks for the prompt response.

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Are you using your existing springs? Like the poster said below your comment the monroe kit will raise your vehicle.
Atikovi's quote mentions "existing springs' whereas the quick struts come with new springs installed in the struts. I haven't heard any negatives before wrt the Monroe's not being a quality product. Also, I don't own a Redline so can't comment on suspension differences and I do know that Atikovi has flipped a number of Vues so I highly respect his opinion and knowledge especially with Redlines. As for me, I intend to order the front and rear Monroe parts in the next week or 2 to take advantage of the current promotion. I know it can be a challenge sometimes to find the right Redline parts. Good Luck.

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Big Update..

So the shop I was dealing with, Monroe and even Rock Auto confirmed and said no problem with the quick strut assemblies. (Yes I know what the forums mentioned and recommended).

So I got the fronts installed, the rears new Monroe Shocks and my hatch lift-gate lifters with monroe.

First Issue:
During install the LF Quick Strut from RockAuto was defective. So I had to buy one locally and RockAuto took the return of it.

Second Issue:
When the steering wheel is centered car steers to the left. I have to keep they wheel about 11'oclock to keep it straight.

They have aligned it 4 times and it comes out the same and even rotated all the tires.

Communications:
Monroe Via Their Website April 2nd:: "All of our data and information suggests that this product will still be appropriate and applicable for this vehicle, even as the Redline package. We have had no call in reports or concerns suggesting otherwise and our catalog team has confirmed proper fitment and function accordingly."

Monroe Via Their Facebook May 8th: "Hello Patrick - Unfortunately there was a catalog error on our end. Quick-Struts will exclude Redline model and we will update our catalog as soon as possible.
We can arrange warranty to offer a refund for you if you would like.
Thank you."


So where are we today?
So I am in the process of sending all my receipts Tenneco. They have confirmed now this is the second Redline Issue they have had. They also now state they don't have any products for that Vehicle.

So I need help. As you can tell I don't know jack about cars, mechanics or any of that. Does anyone have a proven working Strut/Spring Replacement recommendation with part numbers?

What's Currently On the Vehicle. I'm pretty sure the rear is ok as Monroe just made it clear they have no products for the front of the redline.


FRONT
  • MONROE 172218 Quick-Strut LF
  • MONROE 172217 Quick-Strut RF
  • Moog K200333 Sway Bar Bushing Kit
  • Moog K80461 Stabilizer Bar Link Kit
  • Moog K80460 Stabilizer Bar Link Kit

REAR

  • PAIR OF MONROE 911258 Reflex Light Truck Shocks



So any help would be appreciated. This whole front is higher than the rear thing really messes with the driving.

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Second Issue:
When the steering wheel is centered car steers to the left. I have to keep they wheel about 11'oclock to keep it straight.

They have aligned it 4 times and it comes out the same and even rotated all the tires.
If that is true then I see one of two possibilities:

1) there's a problem mechanically with the suspension components related to the steering wheel position, or
2) the shop may not want admit to it, but this typically means that the alignment simply has not been done correctly.

I saw this error when I'd work at my father's service station and at another independent shop I'd worked at and it was understood to be an error relating to certain adjustments which, I believe, relate to the tie rods but am not certain. Have they provided a reason as to why this part of the alignment apparently cannot be set correctly? At any rate, the shop is still responsible for this. Otherwise, if they claim there's nothing they can do you should be given a refund on that work.

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So I am in the process of sending all my receipts Tenneco. They have confirmed now this is the second Redline Issue they have had. They also now state they don't have any products for that Vehicle.
I had an issue with their strut mounts for my LS1 and made a claim with them. The defective parts had to be shipped back to Tenneco for their examination as to why three sets of mounts had failed.They sent me a refund of the part and labor costs minus the sales tax. It took some weeks, but they got it done.

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This whole front is higher than the rear thing really messes with the driving.
A little story...many moons ago my Dodge 600's front struts were replaced with Gabriels. They pushed the front end up higher than it had been before - quite noticeably so. It turned out that the company had made the struts with an over-rated gas charge causing the shaft to push up too far. At that time the correction was to go back to the OE brand.

As you already know, RockAuto.com shows other brands with struts for your VUE. I would consider contacting the technical service lines with Gabriel, KYB, AC Delco, or Sachs. Tell them of your problem and verify that these parts actually have the proper fitment for a Red-Line model.

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If that is true then I see one of two possibilities:

1) there's a problem mechanically with the suspension components related to the steering wheel position, or
2) the shop may not want admit to it, but this typically means that the alignment simply has not been done correctly.

I saw this error when I'd work at my father's service station and at another independent shop I'd worked at and it was understood to be an error relating to certain adjustments which, I believe, relate to the tie rods but am not certain. Have they provided a reason as to why this part of the alignment apparently cannot be set correctly? At any rate, the shop is still responsible for this. Otherwise, if they claim there's nothing they can do you should be given a refund on that work.
The explaination the shop gave was, "It's not them, they put it on the machine and it says it's all aligned correctly".

All I know is I had them do the work and now this happens. From 2011 - 2018 even after tires replaced in 2013. My wheel centered the car is centered.

I wonder if they could have bent something to make the Quick Struts fit? Idk really know.

Thanks for the tip on the other brands I assume they are as good as Monroe.

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When the steering wheel is centered car steers to the left. I have to keep they wheel about 11'oclock to keep it straight.
Do you mean when you take your hands off the wheel, it goes straight but the wheel is at 11 o'clock? Or when you take your hands off the wheel it goes towards the left?

Alignment isn't rocket science, especially on a vehicle like this where toe is the only adjustment, I think. I've done alignments with a tape measure and get the steering wheel perfectly centered and car going straight ahead with hands off the wheel.

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