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Old 02-23-2018, 03:02 AM   #1
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Default How to move the seat back farther

Help! This is my very first post.
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My mother 97 year old mother just died.
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I have just inherited a 1995 Saturn SC-2 in very good shape that has been garaged for more than ten years.
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I though, “Ho hum.”
But when I inspected it and noticed the DOHC engine, I said, this car is special, it is a keeper,
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However, all is not well.
I am 6ft 1inch tall and 262 pounds.
I simply don’t fit.
I simply close my eyes and push, and so far, mendaciously my right knee pops over to the right side of the steering wheel. Now my knee caps are on either side of the steering wheel.
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Ok, now I am happily driving down the road.
Then I notice that my head is slightly tilted to the right.
Why? Because there is not enough head room for may head to be straight up.
I don’t think that God meant for me to spend much time in that position.
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So what to do?
There is a least four inches between the back of the front seat and the front of the back seat.
No one will ever use the back seat.
Please! How can I fix it, or have it fixed, so that the seat can go back further?
If the seat were only half an inch lower, I would have enough headroom so that I could sit up straight and still clear the roof.
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I would prefer to keep the seats that we have and somehow adjust the mounting. [Plan A]
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However, my friend suggested that I could solve the problem by installing racing seats.
So I guess that would be Plan B, with its own can of worms.
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I would very much treasure any suggestions.
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Thank you
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RJ
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By the way, I just read this to my other half.
She is currently rolling on the floor laughing.

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Old 02-23-2018, 07:45 AM   #2
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Default Re: How to move the seat back farther

Just in case....are you're aware that the seat has a height adjustment?

To get further rearward seat travel you need to modify the seat rails that bolt to the floor. If you can weld or have a line on someone who welds you should be able to fabricate/move mount brackets.

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Old 02-23-2018, 08:10 AM   #3
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Or re-gift the car to someone else.
I doubt if the seat itself will provide you the long term comfort you need; nor will pulling the seat back 4 more inches change the roof angle against your head.

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Old 02-23-2018, 08:43 AM   #4
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Default Re: How to move the seat back farther

I know a number of people that are well over 6 foot that drive saturns with no issues.

Try reclining the seat 1 notch or 2. Make sure your butt is all the way back. Unless you have a 42"+ inseam I don't see how it could be an issue.

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Old 02-23-2018, 09:54 AM   #5
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I'm 6' and 220 lbs with a 35" inseam. I do wish the seat had more rearward travel and with that a telescoping steering wheel. One without the other won't resolve the comfort issues. If you move the seat back (or tilt the seat back further) then the reach becomes too long and uncomfortable.

While I don't have headroom issues even with a sunroof I do crave more leg room. It's not enough to make me modify my car from stock though.

I have a sense that the OP may have the seat cranked up to the top height position which would make it difficult to get in and would contribute to the headroom issues. Although the extra 40+ lbs of weight would likely increase his elevation too depending where he's packing it. It could also contribute to leg room. Just saying....

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Old 02-23-2018, 12:15 PM   #6
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6’4” here. I don’t see the problem with my SC2. Maybe the bigger door helps??

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Old 02-23-2018, 03:06 PM   #7
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Old 02-23-2018, 03:23 PM   #8
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At 5'7", i fit my car very well and i find it comfortable enough for long trips. But, i have had larger people in my car. I made a thread about one particular instance but it wasnt too popular (lol)

Pushing the seat back and leaning it it will give you headroom and since you're taller, you can probably still see even when leaning.

The seats from the SL/SC/SW1 are of lower quality and lack height adjustments but seem to sit lower. Assuming you dont have to worry about a clutch pedal, you should be able to sit pretty far back and still reach the pedals.

The 1995 model has a better interior but the coupe body was still shorter. You probably have the worst combo for interior space, 1st gen coupes dont have as much interior space as later coupes.

You never mentioned what you drive currently, but im sure youll enjoy the SC if you can deal with the space issues.

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Old 02-23-2018, 07:01 PM   #9
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Default Re: How to move the seat back farther

Ever seen " Police Academy "??


The character Hightower (Bubba Smith) needs to learn to drive - so he and fellow students purloin a student's Honda Civic... Hightower is almost 7 feet tall.

They rip out the front seat, and he comfortably sits in the back......




So that's an option...



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Old 02-23-2018, 07:36 PM   #10
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Help! This is my very first post.
-
My mother 97 year old mother just died.
-
I have just inherited a 1995 Saturn SC-2 in very good shape that has been garaged for more than ten years.
-
I though, “Ho hum.”
But when I inspected it and noticed the DOHC engine, I said, this car is special, it is a keeper,
-
However, all is not well.
I am 6ft 1inch tall and 262 pounds.
I simply don’t fit.
I simply close my eyes and push, and so far, mendaciously my right knee pops over to the right side of the steering wheel. Now my knee caps are on either side of the steering wheel.
-
Ok, now I am happily driving down the road.
Then I notice that my head is slightly tilted to the right.
Why? Because there is not enough head room for may head to be straight up.
I don’t think that God meant for me to spend much time in that position.
-
So what to do?
There is a least four inches between the back of the front seat and the front of the back seat.
No one will ever use the back seat.
Please! How can I fix it, or have it fixed, so that the seat can go back further?
If the seat were only half an inch lower, I would have enough headroom so that I could sit up straight and still clear the roof.
-
I would prefer to keep the seats that we have and somehow adjust the mounting. [Plan A]
-
However, my friend suggested that I could solve the problem by installing racing seats.
So I guess that would be Plan B, with its own can of worms.
-
I would very much treasure any suggestions.
-
Thank you
-
RJ
-
By the way, I just read this to my other half.
She is currently rolling on the floor laughing.
This link to another long post explains how to get the room you are looking for. The original author is active here still. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...highlight=seat

Does require some metalwork. You can go forth to the JY and get a pair of front seats from an 00-02 SC2 only and that will constitute an upgrade over the 95 versions padding-wise.

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Old 02-25-2018, 01:25 PM   #11
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Oops. - I just knocked over, and mopped up, my glass of port.
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I am overwhelmed by the responses I got about re-positioning my seat.
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This has got to be one of the best car web-sites ever.
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Jonasan308 commented:
“You never mentioned what you drive currently, but im sure you’ll enjoy the SC if you can deal with the space issues.”
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Be careful what you say.
If you get me going, the sun will go down, and it will come up again, and go down again, and I will just be going on and on, and just getting started [LOL].
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My daily drive is a 2004 Mercury Grand Marquee.
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My life car is a 1967 Chrysler Newport 383 2-door fastback hardtop.
I shredded at least four engines and put a million miles on it.
No two adjacent parts of that car are from the same year, in fact some pats are actually from an Oldsmobile. Why did we stop? They quit making tires for that car.
Its current status is a work in progress. It hasn’t been started in over a year.
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Actually I picked it up as a temporary alternative to renting a car, and ended up driving it back home to California, after my out-of-town assignment at the Chrysler factory in Alabama.
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Likewise, next car; I again picked it up as a temporary alternative to renting a car, and ended up driving it home after my out-of-town assignment at Honeywell in Phoenix, Arizona.
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This time it was a 1966 Cadillac Sedan de Ville, 4-door hardtop.
Nobody wanted that gas hog. The upholstery was so bad that I had to put cardboard over the springs to drive it.
Ka-Ching: A thousand dollars for a posh upholstery job.
Ka-Ching: Two thousand dollars for a posh paint job.
Now everybody’s jaw drops.
We put it in a couple of Cadillac Car shows and came back with a couple of trophies.
It is just too beautiful. It is parked safely in a large garage as a museum piece in perfect condition.
It also has not been started in over a year.
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I have always had a lot of headroom.
I wear a western hat, and I always have enough room to put my fist lengthwise between the top of my hat and the roof without touching it.
As I say, don’t get me going.
I have not even started.
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Onward to our new Saturn adventure.
I just received a 300-page Owners Manual that I ordered.
It says something about a seat height adjustment.
I know absolutely nothing about our Saturn. It has an automatic transmission.
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An hour ago I sent off US$150 for a factory service manual set in three binders.
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I just purchased, from Amazon, a set of 7 Craftsman E-sockets. I think I will need an E-10.
They were $35 at Sears, but $7 on Amazon. No wonder we don’t go to Sears anymore.
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The angels answered my prayers through OldNuc.
Thank you so much.
The referenced DIYguys post hit the spot.
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It seems the key that there is a rise that goes across the floor.
You simply have to get to the other side of that.
I am thinking that once on the other side, one can put it back a bit lower.
Perhaps it only needs a set of four brackets, perhaps we could market a kit.
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“You can go forth to the JY and get a pair of front seats from an 00-02 SC2 only and that will constitute an upgrade over the 95 versions padding-wise.”
Shame on you and thank you [LOL].
I am a car improvement junky and addict.
I may not get to sleep until I find out more about this.
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I have been going on for too long. One last story.
My parents went to the dealership and purchased a new Saturn.
They test-drove the sedan, but they ordered a 2-door coupe with DOHC without ever seeing one.
They did not know, until the new car was delivered, that there was less room in the coupe than in the sedan.
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Thank You.
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RJ
By the way, I will be going to see the Death Valley Girls in concert this Tuesday.
As no one had yet bought a seat in the loge, I was able to reserve the best seats in the house.
They are so terrible, I just love them.
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What is this?
Sorry, I cannot post an external link until i have made 15 posts.
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Old 02-25-2018, 01:50 PM   #12
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All S-Series seats are direct swaps. The last of them 01-02 SC-2 have the most padding. JYs are giving them away now so a good clean set is under 80-100$ max. You will have to remove the seats for the bracket work anyway. The reinforcing beam is the mounting point for the new front brackets. Moving the seat ias actually easy and they do have lots of adjustment in the gen-3 SC-2.

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Old 02-26-2018, 04:03 PM   #13
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Condolences on your loss.

The only bad thing about 3rd gen seats . . . they moved the lumbar adjustment from a big knob on the side, to some little thing in a weird spot in the front.

I have to lean forward to reach it, so I have no idea what the adjustments are. In my older car, I could feel the support moving as I turned the knob.

I'll have to take some time out in the future, and try adjusting the support with one hand on the seat so I can feel it moving.

Get some tempered hardboard or other firm sheet (I used hard rubber backed carpet squares) to slide over the seat bottom springs. That will help the cushioning, too - the wires in the bottom tend to slice in to the foam over time.

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Old 02-26-2018, 05:47 PM   #14
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Seems like all RWD vehicles. I have driven a crown victoria which is pretty much the same vehicle. I was looking for a replacement for the 1999 SL1 in my signature (Look how my search ended) I liked it, it may look like a grandpa-mobile but it had plenty of power, space, and rode well. However, part of the reason i got a saturn again was the gas mileage. Vs the crown vic, 35 max on the highway sounded way too good. Turns out i do alot of city driving anyway, so im still getting better mileage. Also, i like how nimble my car is and it handles nice for the $1500 i paid for it.

Thats really impressive that you have a car that you have kept running for so long. Up here, salt kills cars, lucky for me, my car has only been partially killed by rust, stuff that can be fixed.

Im a bit jealous of that year and body style as itll have better handling than the 2nd gen i own due to being shorter.

You can learn alot about these cars here and using the search function as well. Any google searches usually lead back here.

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Old 02-26-2018, 07:42 PM   #15
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I am 6'0 and 240. I to had trouble maneuvering into the driver seat. I took the original seat mount rails and modified them to allow them to mount further back. Sorry, no pictures. I still have the adjustment of the slide mechanism.

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I still have the mod OldNuc mentioned in my car and it is still holding up.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...highlight=seat
One thing I would caution though is that you need to use nylon-insert lock nuts and load spreader washers (preferably hardened) on the seat attachments to the fabricated brackets or they will tend to loosen up over time.
Otherwise the mod works nicely and definitely gives some additional legroom.

As for the metal work required, it's not all that difficult.
Anyone with a hack saw or saber saw and a drill could do it.
Just be sure to sand or file off any sharp edges and to throw a coat of paint on them so they won't rust.

I am shrinking a bit with age, but am still 6'1" 200 pounds.
Without the mod it could be rather difficult at times to get in and out and definitely uncomfortable to drive long distances.

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