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Old 02-09-2018, 01:23 PM   #1
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Default dead engine :(

My sons 2001 L200 (mom bought new) died from the timing assembly failure.
Valves are damaged but piston apparently ok.

I figured rebuild the head or buy a new one, but then in reading it seems like lots of problems and recommendations to not go that route.
Is there valid reasons to not just have the head rebuilt?

We kind of decided a re-manufactured engine made the most sense since he hopes to keep it for a few years, but nobody seems to re-man these motors that I can find. (Anyone?)

Car is in very good otherwise with about 90k miles.

Any good advise appreciated, it's been parked a month already while I try to figure out what to do and i've been too dang busy to spend much time on it.

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Old 02-09-2018, 06:09 PM   #2
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I don't know where you live, but search car-part.com and you should find many used engines. These little 2.2 motors can hit 300k easily with good maintenance.

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Old 02-09-2018, 06:43 PM   #3
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I don't know where you live, but search car-part.com and you should find many used engines. These little 2.2 motors can hit 300k easily with good maintenance.

At 1,000 to buy, $1250-1500 to install, plus all the needed parts and the updated timing assembly, I'm not loving the thought of paying 3k for someone else's boneyard ???

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Old 02-09-2018, 09:24 PM   #4
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Default Re: dead engine :(

I just thought I would throw this idea out there. Some of the 2001 model year L-series with the 2.2 ecotec had a recall on them for timing chain issues. You may want to call your nearby GM dealer(have your VIN number handy for when they ask for it), then they will be able to tell you if it is in the recall or not.

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Old 02-10-2018, 09:19 AM   #5
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Right now the car is a very good boat anchor and worth a lot less than $800.00 or so. Aside from the emotional appeal of the vehicle, you simply have to do the math and work out whether it is economically feasible to spend nearly $3000.00 on a 17 year orphan vehicle that parts are getting scarcer and scarcer for.

$3000.00 would get you something a lot newer. As your son has the car, what does he want to do?

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Old 02-10-2018, 10:07 AM   #6
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I spent about $700 on parts to repair the last L200 with a broken chain. I replaced all the valves, main chain kit from cloyes, just the guides and tensioner and chain for the balance shaft, water pump, some coolant hoses, thermostat, plugs and boots. Donít buy the cheaper gasket set, I had to replace the valve cover gasket after 10k miles. I bought all the parts through Rock auto and did the job in my shop. I replaced all the torque to yield bolts so be sure to get those also. This car is my grand daughterís college daily driver now.

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Old 02-10-2018, 01:20 PM   #7
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Right now the car is a very good boat anchor and worth a lot less than $800.00 or so. Aside from the emotional appeal of the vehicle, you simply have to do the math and work out whether it is economically feasible to spend nearly $3000.00 on a 17 year orphan vehicle that parts are getting scarcer and scarcer for.

$3000.00 would get you something a lot newer. As your son has the car, what does he want to do?
No it won't. Been watching craigslist for the past month with that idea. Anything newer ($4500 or less) has more miles and/or in worse shape.
Been doing the math and that's why we are fixing it.
Car was my moms since new, babied and always maintained. 90k miles is roughly 5,000 miles a year and the body looks like new. It's also a loaded car (for the time) with leather that looks like new, sunroof, heated seats, etc.
Add in that mom died last year and we all (him included) would like to fix it and keep it. For reasons both emotional and totally logical.
I've seen plenty of Saturns with 200k+ miles, so it's not silly to think of fixing it.

Are there any ex-Saturn mechanics on here?

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Old 02-10-2018, 01:28 PM   #8
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I just thought I would throw this idea out there. Some of the 2001 model year L-series with the 2.2 ecotec had a recall on them for timing chain issues. You may want to call your nearby GM dealer(have your VIN number handy for when they ask for it), then they will be able to tell you if it is in the recall or not.
First thing we checked. Only includes specific months of manufacture in 2001!!
His not in it.

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Old 02-10-2018, 04:24 PM   #9
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IMHO, I would repair the existing engine considering this vehicle has such low mileage.

Just be VERY sure there is no piston damage or other hidden damage before you go this route.

02 LW300 Outlines what needs to be replaced. His post is spot on!

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Old 02-10-2018, 07:22 PM   #10
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FWIW, I'm in full agreement with the two previous posts by 02 LW300 and rb6667. Of course, moving forward with a potential repair as suggested requires the removal of the cylinder head so as to verify the condition of the pistons.

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Old 02-10-2018, 09:22 PM   #11
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They use these engines in many GM car lines. So donít just look for a Saturn mechanic. I repaired my own car but I am a professional mechanic. These engines are easier to repair than the Ford Diesels I work on daily. I also have a hoist, all the tools and a complete set of factory service manuals for the L series. With shop rates around $100 per hour the repairs will be expensive.
I purchased a very nice mid level trim 2002 L200 for $300. I bought this car knowing the chain was broken and the extenuating damage caused by this type of failure. I agree these are nice cars, my daily driver is a 2002 L200 stick high line trim. I donít know what I would rather drive, I will drive this car for years to come.

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Thanks all for the input. Had the car towed to a competent home garage mechanic. He's pulling the head to see what damage and will repair if pistons are ok.
If not, we've found a low mileage, rear ended L to buy the whole engine out of.
He says cost would be about the same either way, more labor with the repair, more parts costs with the swap. $1500ish either way.
I'll be happy if we get it done well and good for that.

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Thanks all for the input. Had the car towed to a competent home garage mechanic. He's pulling the head to see what damage and will repair if pistons are ok.
If not, we've found a low mileage, rear ended L to buy the whole engine out of.
He says cost would be about the same either way, more labor with the repair, more parts costs with the swap. $1500ish either way.
I'll be happy if we get it done well and good for that.

^^^^^ Sounds like a great plan. Keep us posted on the progress.

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Update: Head was trashed and pistons nicked so purchased a 47k(!) (claimed) engine and its being shipped. Old engine is out, mechanic servicing transmission and brakes and cooling while we wait.

Will be replacing water pump and all belts and hoses and such.

Assuming this has original timing chain setup and not the revised 2004+ setup what parts need to be replaced specifically? What got changed? Tensioner or something? Want it fixed from the get go.

Anything else to consider?

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Update: Head was trashed and pistons nicked so purchased a 47k(!) (claimed) engine and its being shipped. Old engine is out, mechanic servicing transmission and brakes and cooling while we wait.

Will be replacing water pump and all belts and hoses and such.

Assuming this has original timing chain setup and not the revised 2004+ setup what parts need to be replaced specifically? What got changed? Tensioner or something? Want it fixed from the get go.

Anything else to consider?

If it were me, I'd replace the timing chain and tensioner BEFORE it is installed. It's apparent you want to do this right. Peace of mind goes a long way here.

This assumes this engine is a pre-2004 engine. Do you know if the used engine came out of a L-Series vehicle?

If not, what year and model did the engine come from?

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If it were me, I'd replace the timing chain and tensioner BEFORE it is installed. It's apparent you want to do this right. Peace of mind goes a long way here.
I could not agree more! Having only minimal knowledge of this replacement engine's history you should do all that you can to ensure that it will be as trouble free as possible.

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Just chiming in - I think you made the right choice by finding a low mileage engine and swapping it in. Junkyards are full of low mileage cars, you just have to find the right one.

Our 2001 LW200 is now at about 255K. Yes, ours was part of the recall, so we got a new timing chain around 130k miles. There were no signs of anything going bad, but the dealer called us and said bring it in for the recall, so we did.

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