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Old 12-16-2017, 03:32 AM   #1
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Default V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

The "master tech" did not replace the water pump less than 500 miles ago when the serpentine belt, timing belt, and tensioner were done "because it wasn't leaking." Now it appears to be leaking. Shop wants me to pay for the water pump and .50 of labor to rectify. The kicker is that now they are recommending replacing the thermostat at the same time, adding an additional 2.6 hours and making it $500+ total for the water pump re-do. No cooling system issues at all, just DexCool residue below the timing cover area. Should this be done now or when I change plugs, oil cooler seals, etc? Aside from coolant, I don't see any overlap in labor for the water pump and thermostat jobs on their own. Advice? $1,750 total for serpentine belt, water pump, thermostat, tensioner, timing belt, and gaskets?

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Old 12-16-2017, 08:24 AM   #2
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Default Re: V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

Not familiar with the 3.0 but would just have the WP replaced with 1/2 hour labor. Thermostats rarely fail so you can deal with that if it comes separately.

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Old 12-16-2017, 10:04 AM   #3
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Default Re: V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

wp is driven by serp belt so remove that. than remove wp pulley
support motor, remove motor mount, remove tensioner
wp bolts are hard to reach with timing cover in place
remove timing cover. crank pulley must come off to do that
it helps to lift intake plenum for easier access to timing cover
not a big deal if you lift and support it with rope
if plenum is up than you can reach lower intake plate
that has to come off to reach thermostat housing under it
it is not critical to do thermostat with wp.
yes they are near each other but one is front of motor, one is top of motor
ANY mechanic who has not worked on a 3.0 will scratch his head

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Old 12-16-2017, 10:08 AM   #4
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Default Re: V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

And this is why conventional wisdom says replace the WP when doing the TB.
The T'stat is prone to failure, but no overlap besides draining Coolant. You can wait for the P0128 to appear before doing that PITA job (requires Intake removal).

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Old 12-16-2017, 11:10 AM   #5
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wp job is a bit of work. thermostat is additional work. it turns a 3hr job into a 4+hr job. is it worth 200 more in labor? depends if tech has trouble removing the thermo cover pipe assy

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Old 12-16-2017, 01:18 PM   #6
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The "master tech" did not replace the water pump less than 500 miles ago when the serpentine belt, timing belt, and tensioner were done "because it wasn't leaking." Now it appears to be leaking. Shop wants me to pay for the water pump and .50 of labor to rectify.
With regard to the labor charge, .50 of _____ (an hour, of the regular labor cost)?

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The kicker is that now they are recommending replacing the thermostat at the same time, adding an additional 2.6 hours and making it $500+ total for the water pump re-do. No cooling system issues at all, just DexCool residue below the timing cover area. Should this be done now or when I change plugs, oil cooler seals, etc? Aside from coolant, I don't see any overlap in labor for the water pump and thermostat jobs on their own. Advice? $1,750 total for serpentine belt, water pump, thermostat, tensioner, timing belt, and gaskets?
From my limited perspective, it appears to me that the shop is trying to squeeze some extra cash out of you because they want to earn some money against what's being lost on the water pump installation. I would refuse the extra work at this time.

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Default Re: V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

It is good practice to replace the water pump when a timing belt is replaced on the 3.0. It's right there!

As mentioned, the thermostat is on top of the engine and requires a lot of work to gain access to it as you are familiar with. Replacement is a toss up at this point. How many miles on that thermostat?

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Old 12-17-2017, 09:53 AM   #8
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Default Re: V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

"Shop wants me to pay for the water pump and .50 of labor to rectify."

pump is $50 part. and .50 hrs labor

shop is going to charge you approx $100 for job?
labor on pump alone is more than .50 hrs
heck, a shop will charge you .50 hrs to change a light bulb

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Thermostats rarely fail so you can deal with that if it comes separately.
While some may not consider this a failure, I had to replace several thermostats over the years, in different vehicles, due to poor winter performance (not heating up quickly and not getting the vehicle warm inside). In SoCal the OP may or may not notice a decrease in MPG.

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Old 12-17-2017, 05:05 PM   #10
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Default Good advice re V6 water pump being done after timing belt, add $450 for thermostat?

Thanks, everyone. What the Regional Manager is willing to do is to only charge me for the 30 minutes of additional time it would have taken to change the water pump when they changed the timing belt and tensioner, and the cost of the part. They are eating the cost of the labor to replace the water pump as a stand-alone job after the original repair.

I will defer the thermostat until oil cooler seals, spark plugs, etc. maintenance on the top of the V6.

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Thanks, everyone. What the Regional Manager is willing to do is to only charge me for the 30 minutes of additional time it would have taken to change the water pump when they changed the timing belt and tensioner, and the cost of the part. They are eating the cost of the labor to replace the water pump as a stand-alone job after the original repair.
I think that the company's offer to resolve this service issue is a good one for you.

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Old 12-24-2017, 09:02 AM   #12
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Default Update re V6 water pump being done after timing belt

I truly hate others working on my vehicles. The shop tried to charge me double the retail for the water pump at nearly $100 until I pointed out that even Walmart sold the Chinese pumps for $21! They reduced their rate to $50. The replaced water pump was dated 5/18/2009, and was not leaking, so the P.O. replaced only the water pump and not the timing belt, which resulted in it finally breaking at 133,000.

The source of the coolant leak was a pinhole in the upper radiator hose, which they were happy to replace for $43 in labor and $30 for the hose. Labor was billed at $108 per hour. My unskilled daughter with a screwdriver and 10 minutes could have changed that hose with direction. I was 65 miles from home for the warranty repair or I would have changed it myself. I hate the Mitchell Guide estimates for labor.

The labor cost that I did not pay for the water pump replacement under warranty was $540.

They also told me that all 4 struts were original and needed replacement. As my much trusted regular mechanics for shop work checked out the tires and suspension at purchase and said that they were fine, I declined. Since the P.O. lied about the engine being a new replacement, the timing belt, tensioner, and water pump were not immediately replaced at that inspection, although the engine oil was filthy and the vehicle needed new front brakes.

Moral, like many vehicles, if there's no proof of timing belt replacement, just do it. As this is an interference engine, this whole job cost could have easily tripled with bent valves.

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