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Old 12-11-2017, 11:21 AM   #1
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Long story short my flex pipe had to be completely replaced so I threw a straight pipe on there. After a radiator leak and inhaling a combination of antifreeze and exhaust I had enough and replaced that aswell. Now I get a faint gas smell on start up at least once and I still have enough exhaust in my cabin it's noticeable mileage is 278k not like it matters.

I did see a gap in the manifold that I will seal with some muffler weld but I was curious if there was any other potential common issues? Everything is pretty much OK I check most of the car out now and again.

Thanks for the help guys I don't have enough to get a different vehicle and at this rate with the help I have received I will likely get another s series and drive that another 300k

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Old 12-11-2017, 12:45 PM   #2
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Man, if you cannot repair it properly quickly, then get it to someone who can.
Breathing carbon monoxide WILL impair your ability to think and will kill you..either through the fumes themselves, or passing out and hitting someone or something else.

Muffler weld and such is no substitute for a genuine repair.
In my state, the autoparts stores sell that stuff, but if you are caught (state inspection, etc) you are in big trouble.

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Old 12-11-2017, 02:19 PM   #3
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It would be worth it in the long run to just to a proper fix, small cheap fixes normally lead to big expensive problems at the worse possible time.
Don't want to pass out driving on the highway and slam into a baby hauler, even if you live your in Deep.

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Borrow a car to go buy a $100 110v mig welder, throw a 2lb spool of $15 flux-core wire in it, grab a $20 welding helmet and fix it right the first time. Typical u-bolt clamps are crap compared to actual welding and are no easier to remove after a year's gone by.

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Old 12-11-2017, 04:30 PM   #5
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Flex pipe, $14. Make sure this is the right size, though

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Old 12-11-2017, 07:29 PM   #6
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I appreciate the concern for my health and safety but maybe I wasn't clear the job wasn't done haphazardly and everything related to the area of repair is not leaking its the connection from the pipe to the manifold...

I bought the proper walker pipe and wasn't satisfied with its fit to the manifold. Here in Michigan we have no inspections and I really don't care to properly fix a car that's falling apart due to the previous owner lying about repairs as it only needs to make it through the season and will be a parts car for an SC that doesn't have this mileage or problems.

I have someone who can weld but that won't be for awhile so I have that planned out but unless I weld the pipe to the manifold where it bolts I guess I will have to live with it and not turn the air on at stops until I have a greater idea as to where it's coming from as no one I know has an inspection wand or anything else helpful

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Hey, it was you who said that you still smell gas (exhaust gas, not raw fuel, right?), and you also said "I really don't care to properly fix a car that's falling apart..."

The title of your thread is Fumes leak into cabin.....

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Old 12-11-2017, 11:41 PM   #8
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Hey, it was you who said that you still smell gas (exhaust gas, not raw fuel, right?), and you also said "I really don't care to properly fix a car that's falling apart..."

The title of your thread is Fumes leak into cabin.....
Sometimes exhaust sometimes gas. Today it was more gas vs me sitting there and smelling the oil burning

While I appreciate the response you just seemed to be very blunt regarding my situation and unfortunately on the internet it's hard to tell if you left an aggressive comment or if you are giving genuine advice.

You don't know my budget or the amount I have put in only to have problems based on mileage so when I say I don't care to fix it properly I mean it if I didn't I would have bought a flex pipe assembly and paid someone to weld it on... Driven the car without the flex portion for a year...

Another user suggested me BUYING a welder which I have no experience or the capital so I don't care to waste money when I can wait on someone who has a welder and knows what he is doing.

Again I appreciate the responses I am here after searching other threads and forums for that matter to try and understand if there was more to me just fixing the flex portion. Maybe the car has another common leak spot, maybe it's leaking at the manifold in which I await with patience a suggestion because a gasket isn't going to solve my problem.

I have heard of the fuel system having leaks around the back seat is this common? We live in a salt state and by the water to boot so when I say 300k miles it might as well be doubled in wear and tear.

Bottom line is I don't know I have done my homework and I have physically inspected portions of the car believed to be suspect and I am unsure as to what to even do next BESIDES getting the pipe welded.. it will happen but not anytime soon my buddy works at Chrysler full time and rarely has time to weld.

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Old 12-12-2017, 01:40 AM   #9
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Ah, a clearer picture emerges

Make sure you have the foam oval screen thingie under the passenger rear corner of the hood. That helps filter out a bit.

On the driver side, there are a couple of holes in the firewall - make sure they have their rubber grommets and that a previous owner has not enlarged or torn them (by installing wiring for a stereo, etc).

Down by the shifter cables, up near the brake booster, etc., if there are large holes or gaps, that will let in extra fumes.

Without a flex pipe, the whole system will move enough to loosen up connections, destroy gaskets, etc. So, you think the leak is below the pre-cat, where it bolts on to the pipe? Might be a bad gasket, and if not rusted too badly could be an easy cheap fix.

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Long story short my flex pipe had to be completely replaced so I threw a straight pipe on ........ mileage is 278k not like it matters. I did see a gap in the manifold that I will seal with some muffler weld but I was curious if there was any other potential common issues?
1-Flex pipes are upgrades from older rigid exhaust systems. Placed in (engineered) position, it flexes with engine movement to reduce premature exhaust system damage your straight pipe will cause. And less noise from vibration into the interior along with floating rubber mounts. A straight pipe will flex at the clamps and leak no matter how much exhaust cement is used. Exhaust system flexing from normal engine movement in motor mounts increases the likelihood of more exhaust leaks.

2-What condition are the engine mounts? The top mount, when worn, allows more engine movement, increasing exhaust system flexing on your rigid straight pipe replacement when the flex pipe is the better replacement repair. If worn, replace the top engine mount. There are many threads explaining how to determine a worn mount.

3-Where's the exhaust gap?

A well used engine with possibly worn engine mounts may have flexed the exhaust system into damage. A straight pipe may still leak exhaust gases if the engine moves more than it should from a worn mount. If the engine mount is found worn, replacing it may return a certain amount of stiffness back to reduce the straight pipe flexing at the clamped ends and leaking exhaust.

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