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Old 11-23-2017, 02:09 PM   #1
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I have a 2002 sl1 sohc. Just replaced the intake manifold gasket following RC1488's guide. Now the car runs rough 1200rpm ish and shakes badly with clouds of smoke. It does seem to clear up some when it warms up but not 100%. It never smoked before only had a slightly high idle and misfire. Checked spark plugs and the number 2 cylinder had what looked like milky oil in it. I thought I drained the coolant completely before the replacement but I had some leak from manifold when I removed it. Im going to change the oil, but I don't know if the coolant is my only problem or not. Any help guys?

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Old 11-23-2017, 08:42 PM   #2
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I would do a compression test and make sure you don't have a head gasket leak...also pull the dipstick and see if that looks milky...if so you unfortunately have bigger problems

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Old 11-24-2017, 11:29 AM   #3
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The oil did look a little milky. I'm assuming from coolant leaking during the intake manifold gasket replacement. I won't be able to do anything till tomorrow though.

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Old 11-24-2017, 11:39 AM   #4
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If it did not do these things prior than you did something wrong.

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Old 11-24-2017, 11:44 AM   #5
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If it did not do these things prior than you did something wrong.
Yeah I guess I'm just hoping it's just as simple as the coolant leaking into the cylinders. Could it be I pinched or screwed up the gasket by the coolant passage seal that's causing it?

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Old 11-24-2017, 05:57 PM   #6
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Well I was checking the spark plugs again and the wire for #2 easily broke off right at the boot. Local shop had to order the set. I'll have them tomorrow, I think between the two issues and the coincidence in the timing of the events it may be the answer to my problems. With the fuel that wasn't being burned going into my oil pan. I'll check in tomorrow with an update.

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Old 11-24-2017, 09:00 PM   #7
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If you did not clean all of the old gasket off of the head then you will end up with issues. The original gasket likes to stick to the head around the studs. On the SOHC intake gaskets that I did I removed the studs to be able to get all of the gasket material off.

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Old 11-25-2017, 06:20 PM   #8
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Ok, so I changed the oil spark plugs and wires. No mix of any kind in oil. Car is producing alot of white smoke exhaust with a lot of liquid coming from exhaust as well. And smells of gas. I can't get any codes read until I buy a reader. I can assume it's a bad injector, sensor, or I messed up that gasket badly, but it didn't change any when I sprayed around the intake. Any thoughts?

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Old 11-25-2017, 06:40 PM   #9
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There is a water passage in that manifold and if the gasket between the water side and #4 is leaking you will be getting a lot of water out of the exhaust.

I think you have a failed gasket replacement issue.

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Old 11-25-2017, 07:24 PM   #10
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There is a water passage in that manifold and if the gasket between the water side and #4 is leaking you will be getting a lot of water out of the exhaust.

I think you have a failed gasket replacement issue.
I was thinking the same thing, would that cause the gas smell? And I thought to myself while I was cleaning the mating surfaces, shouldn't there be a separate seal for that water passage?

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Old 11-25-2017, 08:03 PM   #11
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The manifold gasket is the seal for that. This is why you usually have to pull the studs to get the head and manifold clean without dinging it up and if you use a FelPro gasket you do not want to use any RTV on it.

The gas smell could be just about anything right now.

All of those manifold nuts must be torqued in the proper sequence or you may have problems.

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Old 11-25-2017, 08:16 PM   #12
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The manifold gasket is the seal for that. This is why you usually have to pull the studs to get the head and manifold clean without dinging it up and if you use a FelPro gasket you do not want to use any RTV on it.

The gas smell could be just about anything right now.

All of those manifold nuts must be torqued in the proper sequence or you may have problems.
So I'm going to redo the gasket asap.
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Old 11-25-2017, 08:22 PM   #13
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Take your time as the new gasket should have not resulted in the car running no worse than it was before you replaced the gasket the first time. Once a good gasket is in there any other issues can be run down.

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Old 12-03-2017, 01:04 AM   #14
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So my gasket finally came in and it was terribly bent right by the coolant passage valve section. So first thing tomorrow I'm gonna buy one from auto store then return the bad one. Muwahaha!!!! So either way tomorrow (or later today, technically) I will get to the bottom of this darn problem. On a side note my obd2 bluetooth came in. I can't wait to check the stats on all my vehicles and bike!

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Old 12-03-2017, 05:48 PM   #15
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Ok so. I redid the intake manifold gasket. But this time I took out the studs so I could pull out the manifold and guarantee absolutely clean mating surfaces. I completed the job in about 5 hours. (I got side tracked when I noticed the bracket that connects to trans mount was shattered and I cannot find that part anywhere... help?) So the car runs great. But is still smoking!?!?!? So here is what I'm hoping and praying is the problem: there is water accumulated in my exhaust, which is true. I'm kinda cautious though because I want to let the car idle for a few hours and see if clears it up, but if I'm wrong I don't want to end up with a 2 ton paperweight. I did let it idle and get warmed up for about 5 or so minutes. I had my scanner hooked up and I got no codes not even pending. Anybody have some insight or idea. I thought about taking off exhaust and draining water. I can't believe I forgot to drain coolant before replacing the intake manifold gasket and it caused this much trouble!

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Need a pix of broken bracket and year of the car it is on. If it is cold out it will take a while to clear out the exhaust. The trick is to watch the reservoir level. while it is running.

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Need a pix of broken bracket and year of the car it is on. If it is cold out it will take a while to clear out the exhaust. The trick is to watch the reservoir level. while it is running.
2002 sl1 auto. It's the bracket that connects front trans dog bone to trans bellhousing, easily seen behind drivers tire. I believe it's #4in diagram, although it super hard to find even that. I live in Florida, is coolant necessary or will distilled water work? Would it be efficient for me to remove exhaust and remove water manually?
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2002 sl1 auto. It's the bracket that connects front trans dog bone to trans bellhousing, easily seen behind drivers tire. I believe it's #4in diagram,
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Here's an alternate diagram - I think the top ones are passenger side, bottom ones are driver (trans) side but I've done almost nothing with these mounts, so take with a grain of salt


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I meant number 13 >.>
The bracket that connects dog bone to trans casing. .
So I drove around my block today. Smoke is clearing up but now cylinder #2 is missing. P0301. Compression test after work

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So guys I just had an epiphany crazy as it is with this piss me off I also can you collusion that I am stupid s*** I knew that I got water in my cylinders when I did did intake manifold gasket prepare for placement but you know decency to put oil in my cylinders to get the paper out so the cylinder 2 misfire probably it's starting to get Vapor locked unless I'm wrong I'll find out when I get home and do the test but it makes sense now

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