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Old 11-17-2017, 09:32 AM   #1
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So the lock mechanism appears to be broken or jammed. I am not able to fully unlock the door with the key or the handle inside. The door has manual locks and windows.

I removed the bezel from the door panel to ensure the levers are attached to the rods and they are. I was able to pry open the door panel on the inside, but there is no access anywhere near the latch from the inside. I don't want to pry off the door skin and damage it. I'm thinking my only option is to cut a hole on the inside of the door with a pneumatic grinder to get it undone and buy a new door and switch the skin. I'm not even sure if this can be done from inside the door though.

This seems pretty ridiculous that this could happen and that there is no access so you basically have to trash your door if the $5 lock mechanism jams.

Any suggestions on removing the c-clip for the manual window handle?

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Old 11-17-2017, 09:45 AM   #2
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Default Re: HELP!! Passenger door stuck! 01 sc1

I always used a flat-tip screwdriver on that c-clip. There's at least one tool designed to remove them and I've heard of others using a rag to catch one leg and pull it out.

There is close to 0 access to most of the inner door workings from the inside, it's all from the outside. The little access there is is limited to a few bolt heads you're required to remove to replace the window regulator, lock actuator and possibly the door latch but all those also require removing the outer door skin to get your hands on them.

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Old 11-17-2017, 11:03 AM   #3
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Any suggestions on removing the c-clip for the manual window handle?
Here's the tool made for the job and it is relatively easy to make one. I've seen it done using an old CD disk. Just cut a slot in it in the same fashion as the tool.

The second photo shows the shop rag method. You're just trying to catch the arms of the clip and push it off.




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Old 11-17-2017, 03:34 PM   #4
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thanks for the info on the clips. I have a little usb bore scope camera I got for my phone that I'm going to try to snake down the door to see if I can't get at it with a screw driver from the top.

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Old 11-17-2017, 04:08 PM   #5
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Every collision and repair shop knows how to remove parts without damaging them to have access to other parts. Try YouTube for help and tips many aren't aware of when working on cars. I'm sure there are a few people wanting their face time and thumbs up checks to boost their egos by posting their 'methods' repair shops aren't willing to give away.

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Old 11-17-2017, 04:42 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=fdryer;2259465]Every collision and repair shop knows how to remove parts without damaging them to have access to other parts.QUOTE]

Not true. They have access to every repair manual and hand tool that I do, probably less since I own the car. Many scenarios are not presented in repair manuals and are not repairable. Often times parts need to be sacrificed to fix problems. Body shops don't have experience with every single make and model either.

I'd rather trust what people have to say on forums than what your run of the mill body shop has to say. I've already exhausted every other form of research including youtube, other forums, what to do about this problem on other cars, how the latch mechanisms work, etc. This forum is about the last place I can gather more info. I figured I'd see if anyone here might have more ideas. Regardless, I'll post up results once I figure it out.

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Old 11-18-2017, 01:25 AM   #7
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Ok if you say so. I never knew about the door handle clip except from a collision shop. I never had to remove one even when I bought service manuals over the years before the internet. Since I never had to remove a window knob before power windows, before the internet was invented along with more free info online, the only way to know about door clips was diy the hard way, manuals, asking auto parts stores or finding out thru body repair shops. Despite your arguments, I doubt you'd find this info if the internet wasn't around and had to resort to service manuals, the first place for information on doing it right. It may help to know that someone had to invent a way to hold door handles on without screws so the spring clip was invented. Guess who writes the technical manuals that are 'bibles' to every dealer and diyer wanting to save money by not going to a dealer or repair shop? Body repair shops have access to manuals but they pay for it so aren't giving away secrets. What's learned is passed around until word spreads how to do some things repair shops do all the time. Time is money and they won't spend all day trying to figure out to do something when manuals spell it a out with the correct tools. They buy them and spread the costs on bills since they're in business to make money. Look into any mechanics toolboxes and you're likely to see hundreds of tools bought over the years to make less work and a more efficient mechanic to turn around repairs to make money.

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Here's the tool made for the job and it is relatively easy to make one. I've seen it done using an old CD disk.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:03 AM   #9
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So I got it open. I was able to pry open the back half of the door panel without damaging anything. Never needed to remove the window handle thank goodness. There is a decent size opening in the middle of the inner door frame. After removing both sides of weather stripping, I could just barely see the latch through a sliver. I made sure to light the area well to see what I was doing. I used a long screw driver to reach through the hole to the latch and rotated counter clockwise.

Pic of latch from window gap with screw driver in place:


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After I got the door open and the outer skin off, I took a picture of the mechanism. The red square is the slot I put the screw driver into.


While I was at it, I found out the rod wasn't connected to the outside handle, and fixed that.


So what I figured out was the latch somehow got stuck, and if was able to use the outside handle, I probably could have just pulled it open. Just as a note, the factory adhesive used on the outside of the inner door can be re-activated using a heat gun. It's basically hot glue. I hope this helps anyone else that finds themselves in this predicament.

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