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Old 11-08-2017, 10:50 AM   #1
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Default Front End 'Growl" When Turning Right -- Mount?

Hello,

1995 Saturn SL (manual 5 speed) 175,000 mis.

I am back again. Been a while since I had almost exasperated myself trying to figure out hesitation in my vehicle only to discover it was faulty plugs. Ugh.

Now the problem is a 'growling' sound (almost like something is rubbing against something else) when turning right.

I don't think it is a wheel bearing. The sound disappears with the engine off and coasting in neutral while turning right.

I suspect an engine mount or transmission mount.

Within the last two years I have replaced the clutch. (at 160,000 mis).

I haven't had a whole lot of time to do any type of inspection, so this is my first 'ignorant' post to the board.

Questions I have are: How many engine mounts does the vehicle have? How many transmission mounts?

That's really the initial questions I have.

On last inspection by a certified auto inspector, Jan. 2017, I was told that the top left engine mount was actually starting to 'fail' upon a visual.

Could it be that simple? Replace that particular part and drive on off into Saturn bliss?

Maybe, but first I wanted to get some expert feedback from the board members.

Other symptoms are: it seems to be worse at startup and when the engine is cold.

Also, the other day after leaving work I started off and when I reached about 45mph and shifted in 5th gear the whole car felt like it was struggling to maintain power and starting shaking.

I decided to skip the interstate and take the back roads. I made it home fine without any other problems, but the car has been sitting in the driveway since, and with the colder weather arriving here in Virginia, I am sure the symptom will only get worse.

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Old 11-08-2017, 11:33 AM   #2
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Default Re: Front End 'Growl" When Turning Right -- Mount?

Your Saturn engine has four mounts:
1. Torque axis mount (upper mount). This is the one at the passenger end of the engine, visible from above.
2. Transaxle mount. Under the transaxle.
3. Upper Dogbone. Under the air filter box, more or less.
4. Lower Dogbone. Visible through the right front wheel well with the splash shield removed.

Lots of photos on this site showing what good and bad ones look like.

Another potential source of the noise is the intermediate bearing on the passenger side driveshaft.

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Old 11-08-2017, 03:46 PM   #3
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Old 11-10-2017, 01:52 PM   #5
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Default Re: Front End 'Growl" When Turning Right -- Mount?

thanks for the diagram/photos and the answers to my initial questions.

at this point i need to get my son in law (uncertified mechanic) to hop in the car and listen to the symptom and then hopefully get it up on a lift at his shop this weekend.

i had a delay in reply as my wife hit a deer the other night in another car. basically left it unroadworthy, now dealing with insurance. wish me luck. appraiser today seemed like they were going to do the bare minimum...as always.

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^^ what type vehicle, and what was broken?
Many insurance companies will let you buy it back from them for scrap value....on my last "deer connection", I did not even contact insurance, just replaced the damaged parts myself using Ebay purchases for the prepainted/sealed fender and a set of upgraded headlight assembly's.
Got it done for less than $350 and looks great (if you ignore the slight hood dent where an antler hit).

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Old 12-01-2017, 01:30 PM   #7
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damages to the car (2015 nissan sentra) were $4,100 according to adjuster. we've got the car in the shop...still. but no rush.

good news is that it was indeed the top passenger side engine mount that was bad in the 95 saturn sl. replaced with new, and the car is in great running shape again. thanks for all of your help on this as always to my forum fans.

oddly, i was getting an egr valve code 3-4 weeks ago...engine stalling, then revving high to 4,000 rpm in idle. engine light would come on when the car started running rough...in fact i knew when the light was coming on before it even did, as i could 6th sense the impending doom of the sputtering engine before it sputtered...if that makes any sense. i bought a new valve, but it is still in the amazon box...the engine has been running fine with no codes the past 3+ weeks.

i'll keep the new valve as i suspect it is just a matter of time before i get the code again. probably just a few more millimeters of carbon buildup is all it will take.

i've cleaned the oem valve at least 3 times over the life of the vehicle, and i just am tired of it. figured it was time for a new one.

happy holidays to all!

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