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Old 10-22-2017, 01:30 PM   #1
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I have been tossing around an idea for my car but i want to make sure that anything i do to my car wont be in vain because of the rust. So how does this look? I cant get pics of the front subframe at the moment but it seems to have fair rust on it, but nothing that screams a replacement being needed.

I looked at my cars vehicle history and it lived in ohio its entire life and was at 100k miles by 2006.

I meant to get a picture of the door frame but i guess the photo wasnt taken. I have the 3 door model and i have a bit of rust flaking at the bottom of the 3rd door.
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Old 10-22-2017, 04:19 PM   #2
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

Looks about like mine. Not great, but salvageable in my opinion if you get to it soon. We will probably pull the back end apart next year to address rust.

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Old 10-22-2017, 11:43 PM   #3
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

The one thing that does worry me a little is the rear suspension. The bolts are rusted to where chunks of flaking is coming off. Even so, i can still find a replacement for that right?

I will probably need to figure out how to stop the current rust amd protect it from further rust. And then go ahead with what i was thinking of doing.

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Old 10-23-2017, 09:55 AM   #4
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

I'd clean up the body rust, protect it and see about finding less rusty front/rear frames to start with rather than trying to fix the current ones.

A hand wire brush and some rust-converter spray with paint/undercoating/leakseal afterward should do the trick. Rustoleum LeakSeal does the same job their Undercoating does, except it doesn't stay as wet and doesn't look like utter crap.

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Old 10-24-2017, 02:53 AM   #5
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Sounds like a chore, taking apart the rusted (but not as bad as i was thinking) rear end apart. But it would be cheaper than going down south to find a car.

I had found a car in the junkyard that had no rust at 1 point. I removed the radiator and later the valve body out of it. I guess there are some spare southern cars that end up in the yard. Maybe ill find one of those and tear off the rear frame and maybe the cradle. While im at it, i could add a rear sway bar and disk brakes and make it as sporty feeling as possible for an SOHC auto.

While i am looking at the suspension, i came across polyurethane suspension bushings and found reviews saying it could improve handing at higher speeds. Considering getting some of these for my car. Along with poly engine mounts. This would atleast make it feel less lame. My car is already has plenty of junkyard parts, i wont mind a few more.

Exhaust... i wanted to do something cool to it like moving the muffler up the pipe and dumping it out the side, but that may not produce the results i want. Was thinking about being a guinea pig and installing a borla XS Pro muffler to give it more sound. But not sure about sticking a muffler that has a 2.25 inch inlet at the least on a system thats only 1.75 inch.

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Old 10-24-2017, 08:51 AM   #6
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

The frame only has 4 bolts to the body of the car, then 2 more at each knuckle (4 total), take the whole thing as 1 giant unit. The biggest issue is the brake line that runs inside it, if you can take your time with a rust penetrant on the ends at the wheel cylinders it should come off nice & easy.
This would also give you a nearly free "upgrade" to a DOHC rear end, with the rear sway bar, if you can find one from a DOHC instead of a SOHC.

If you do the poly bushing upgrade I'd recommend also getting the rear toe camber bolts, just makes it easier for the alignment guy. While they should just simply slide, the guy I had do it on a '96 SC2 spent an extra hour or so fighting to get the bolts in and probably hating me for making him work up to quitting time.

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Old 01-12-2018, 02:17 AM   #7
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

I have a relatively clean Drum brake rear suspension off a DOHC car if you are interested.... I parted out a super clean car when scrap was real low and kept anything and everything (have the entire doghouse since it was clean and had no damage) took in a flat slab for the floor minus the trunk area, and then the top of the car...

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Old 01-12-2018, 10:13 PM   #8
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

Not bad at all. Your car looks much nicer than mine did. Here's my write-up about how I fixed the rust:

https://sixthsphere.com/showthread.p...r-Build-Thread

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Saturninin, did you see the PM I sent? May be interested in the parts if Jonasan308 is not.

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Old 01-14-2018, 04:29 PM   #10
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Default Re: How bad is this rust?

Does it come with a sway bar?
If i can attach a sway bar to it, might be worth it for me.

Despite the multitude of issues ive had with the car, its still in really good cosmetic shape. Save for a nasty scrape on the rear end, theres no hood bubbles or rust spots on any of the exterior metal and the body panels are very clean. If i can fix that rust, great!

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Does it come with a sway bar?
If i can attach a sway bar to it, might be worth it for me.

Despite the multitude of issues ive had with the car, its still in really good cosmetic shape. Save for a nasty scrape on the rear end, theres no hood bubbles or rust spots on any of the exterior metal and the body panels are very clean. If i can fix that rust, great!

In the meantime.....
Will get you pictures of everything It's everything that is underneath, so I believe the sway bar is still there, I've been holding onto it for myself (to do the same thing you are doing).... but with a clean southern car now.... do I really need to keep it right this moment, the 95 looks good as well... but more rust then this one...

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The one thing that does worry me a little is the rear suspension. The bolts are rusted to where chunks of flaking is coming off. Even so, i can still find a replacement for that right?

I will probably need to figure out how to stop the current rust amd protect it from further rust. And then go ahead with what i was thinking of doing.
My 1995 SC is rusted in similar areas. I used POR-15 on them, to nprevent further rust. It doesn't look too bad, as of yet. POR-15 should run about $40/quart. It has to be warm, to apply it, and kept out of sunlight.

When the weather breaks, I have plenty laying around in my spare bedroom(along with spare Saturn parts), if you need it.

Directions call for two coats, and you can apply it directly to the rust with no sanding.

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