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Old 10-19-2017, 01:46 PM   #1
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Brought the Saturn to the garage yesterday to get a new inspection sticker and also have an oil/filter change. Now since I get kinda paranoid about someone I don't know working on my car, I wanted to check to make sure they didn't mess anything up. The oil level seemed like it was way to high on the dipstick, but maybe full is at the bend? I really don't know, this is my first car and also my first oil change. I'm new to almost everything but I'm trying to learn everything I can to keep this car on the road. I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me out here
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Old 10-19-2017, 01:51 PM   #2
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Yeah, that's too much. I've heard that the most you want it to be is at the F on full, but someone with more knowledge will chime in as to how bad it being that full is. How long did it sit before you checked it?

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Old 10-19-2017, 02:00 PM   #3
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How long did it sit before you checked it?
Over night, or about 8 hours

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Old 10-19-2017, 02:08 PM   #4
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Yeah, that's too much. I've heard that the most you want it to be is at the F on full, but someone with more knowledge will chime in as to how bad it being that full is. How long did it sit before you checked it?
I thought they said you can go to the last L on full

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Old 10-19-2017, 02:39 PM   #5
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Information directly from the Saturn Factory Service Repair Manual, scroll down on the page link for info and pictures:

The Engine should have 4 Quarts of Oil

http://www.differentracing.com/tech_...oilchange.html

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Old 10-19-2017, 03:25 PM   #6
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Another good reason to change your own oil!

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Old 10-19-2017, 04:02 PM   #7
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It'll burn off quickly enough

This thread may be of interest
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=230629

Looks like they went 4 1/2 or 5 quarts

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Old 10-19-2017, 04:27 PM   #8
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It'll burn off quickly enough
Oddly enough though, my Saturn doesn't burn a whole lot of oil, maybe one to two diamonds on the stick every 1,000 miles or so

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Old 10-19-2017, 04:42 PM   #9
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Brought the Saturn to the garage yesterday to get a new inspection sticker and also have an oil/filter change. Now since I get kinda paranoid about someone I don't know working on my car, I wanted to check to make sure they didn't mess anything up. The oil level seemed like it was way to high on the dipstick, but maybe full is at the bend? I really don't know, this is my first car and also my first oil change. I'm new to almost everything but I'm trying to learn everything I can to keep this car on the road. I'd really appreciate it if someone could help me out here
The space between L and FULL represents a quart. An engine with a full amount of oil would have the dipstick show oil up to the top line of the cross-hatched space, and no further. A full quart low would show oil at or below the left-most line of the cross-hatched space. Please read your Owner's Handbook (assuming one is in the car) and familiarize yourself with it. It will answer many questions about maintaining your car.

I claim no expertise with regard to the original and truly genuine Saturn 1.9L engines. It looks like the oil level is a quart over the full mark. If it was only a half of a quart over full I wouldn't be concerned, but a full quart has the potential to be problematic depending upon how high it would raise the oil pressure. It could result in external oil leakage, or possibly escaping past the oil ring on the piston and getting into the combustion chamber.

Of course, there's also the possibility that no significant issue will arise. It depends on how concerned you are with having that much of an overage of oil in your car's engine. In this instance, a full quart over the maximum required level is 25% too much crankcase oil in the whole engine. That's not acceptable to me. I think I would drain some of it out if the car were mine. Based on your OP this oil change is someone else's responsibility. I would take it back to them and insist that the oil level be corrected and not remain over-full as it is now.


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Oddly enough though, my Saturn doesn't burn a whole lot of oil, maybe one to two diamonds on the stick every 1,000 miles or so
Well, that answers the question as far as I'm concerned. With so little oil consumption between oil changes, drain the excess oil ASAP.

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Old 10-19-2017, 06:55 PM   #10
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Check the oil when the car is sitting on a flat level surface to be as accurate as possible. Look for a good large supermarket parking lot where the shopping carts don’t move around on their own or an abandoned airport landing strip in your neighborhood.

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Old 10-19-2017, 11:19 PM   #11
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Four quarts with the OEM short Fram 3614 filter,

Four and a half with the longer Fram 3600/Purolaror 20195...

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Old 10-19-2017, 11:40 PM   #12
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If it's not consuming much oil , that's great.
Try to maintain the oil level just Above the top line (above the hatchmarks).

Be sure to use quality, " full synthetic " lube oil, 5-30 except in hot summer weather , maybe 10-30 (but warm it up a bit before driving off with the 10-30).

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Old 10-20-2017, 07:34 AM   #13
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I agree with Pierrot, since you aren't really burning oil, that's too much oil. Have them drain about 1/2~3/4 quart. Read the thread I linked, slight overfill is actually OK (I usually slightly overfill on purpose). Dummo has a good point on making it repeatable and accurate as possible.

OldNuc measured the diamonds on the dipstick as about 3.5 oz per diamond, and this seems accurate on both my Saturns (e.g., when it is two diamonds low, I add 7 oz and it brings it up to the FULL line)

A quart is 32 oz. Since your car burns about 5 oz per 1,000 miles, I'd overfill by about 8 oz (about 1/4 quart). See where it falls on your dipstick. Then check at least every 1,000 miles and top off to wherever it falls on the dipstick when overfilled by 1/4. Personally, I'd check more often (I currently check every weekend) but I can be a little OCD about oil levels

Most of us that do our own oil use longer filters like mattwithcats mentions, but I doubt any oil change place would do that on their own. There was another thread yesterday about a shady oil change that is worth reading. . . that might motivate you to start doing your own oil.

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Old 10-21-2017, 09:22 PM   #14
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I just ended up draining out some of the oil myself and now it sits somewhere in-between the top line and the F. Probably going to be doing my own oil changes from now on

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It only takes ½ quart, to get to the second "L", on the stick. When I do my changes, I always put 4.5 quarts in, because my oil consumption is excessive. Overfilling the oil, in my case has not increased my oil consumption at all. There is a pressure relief valve, in the cam cover, when oil pressure is too high, to protect the seals.

Ideally, you want to be between the "U" and the first "L" on the stick.

Make sure you are using Castrol GTX conventional, or a decent synthetic, as your engine is just starting to seize the oil control rings.

The problem may stave off, but with bulk oil from lube shops, it will make the consumption worse. Eventually, you will be adding a quart about every 500 miles(at least until the valve stem seals blow out, at which point you will be at 1qt/100-200 miles)

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