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Old 06-06-2017, 10:56 AM   #1
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Default Syncros or shift cable?

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I have a 2006 Vue, 2.2L 5-spd, 170K miles. Out of the blue yesterday, 2nd gear started popping out. All other gears work fine. It started without warning, and pops out immediately, with a bit of grinding, and this happens consistently. I tried holding the shift lever in place, but that doesn't work--it just keeps trying to pop out and sounds awful. We had an issue last year where the gear shift went limp and would not shift into any gear--I believe the mechanic replaced the shift cable and/or bushings at that point, but I don't remember.

Does this behavior sound like a bad shift cable, or worn syncro, or something else? Thanks very much in advance.
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Old 06-06-2017, 03:58 PM   #2
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

Check to see if you have a broken shift cable coupler. This is the little white (or black) thing thats on the end of the shift cable. Pop the center console up and you'll see how the two cables connect to the shift mechanism.

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Old 06-06-2017, 04:04 PM   #3
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

Since you had the shift lever cable adjuster replaced recently, I would try to change the adjustment here before I tried anything else.

When these things are replaced you are supposed to count threads, etc. to match the known good position of the one you take out, but who knows what the mechanic did.

And yes, these cables bind up which is the reason the adjuster broke in the first place.

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Old 06-07-2017, 11:20 AM   #4
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

Thanks to you both! Sounds like this is potentially good news--I was afraid a new transmission was in my future. I'll check out your suggestions this weekend when I can dig into it. I appreciate your help.
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Old 06-08-2017, 06:31 AM   #5
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

Whatever you do avoid second until you get it repaired. The good thing is that engine is pretty flexible and can pull low RPM fairly easy

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Old 06-10-2017, 03:29 PM   #6
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OK, I had a look, but nothing appears to be broken. Here's a pic.20170610_161909.jpg
Does anyone have any further advice after looking at this picture? Thanks again for your help.

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Old 06-11-2017, 07:04 AM   #7
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The black one is where you can adjust the cable for the forward gears. See the light colored threads sticking out the end? Make a note of the position, then perhaps adjust the cable in or out one thread at a time and see if there is improvement. Just remember to keep track of where you started so you don't end up making things worse.

The plastic piece in the center will come out allowing you to adjust the number of treads sticking out. I believe there are a couple of YouTube videos that show people dealing with this thing.

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Old 06-11-2017, 08:03 AM   #8
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Those plastic cable ends are pretty fragile when aged. Careful...

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Old 06-12-2017, 09:48 AM   #9
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

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Those plastic cable ends are pretty fragile when aged. Careful...
Very much so, that's also wquite a lot of graphite. I found that using a generous amount of Permatex's Anti-Seize Lube when the cables are fully exposed on both ends, (inside the cabin and on the transmission side) have help me significantly in shifting. I add a few dabs of the lube every oil change on the cable ends and inside the pivot ball on the shifter as well.


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Thanks for the tips--I will try adjusting that screw by a thread or so and see what happens, for starters.

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Old 06-12-2017, 06:05 PM   #11
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I tried getting that center piece out, but could figure it out. I found one YT video that shows how it pushes up from the bottom, but it was shown without the cable in place, so it's not clear how to unlock it with the cable in there. It looks like it has a notch to pry with a small screwdriver, but even with a fair amount of force, it doesn't want to come off.

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Old 06-12-2017, 08:14 PM   #12
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If you can pry in both locations shown in pic at same time you can minimize risk of breaking. Also it only will go up around 1/4 inch as shown in second pic.
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Old 06-13-2017, 07:17 PM   #13
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Default Re: Syncros or shift cable?

Thanks, those pics were helpful. I was able to pry it up, and I spent about 45 minutes trying various positions--they changed the degree of grinding (from a nasty grind to a quick pop-out of gear), but I haven't been able to get it to stay in 2nd. I'll play with it some more tomorrow.

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Old 09-08-2017, 10:23 AM   #14
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Just an update on this old thread. I never was able to adjust it enough to get 2nd gear to stay in. I've just been driving it by avoiding 2nd (I don't drive the car every day). I'm considering ordering the H&G Bro shift cables (replaces OE 21996492) on amazon for 99.00. But before I spend that money, I was just wondering if anybody thinks this issue is NOT related to the shift cables and more likely to be the transmission itself? Just to review, 2nd gear went out suddenly.

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I'd say yes, its shift cables...

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Old 09-27-2017, 11:31 AM   #17
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I finally got my new cables and have started installation. Getting the old cables out wasn't too difficult. Right now I have the new cables fished in from the engine compartment in through the hole in the firewall, and I'm ready to attach the ends to the adjusters. However, I'm having a little bit of worry about whether it matters if the cables are twisted/crossed. Starting from the shifter adjusters in the column, they are sitting white cable on the left, black cable on the right. But in the engine compartment, to get the cables to bend down and travel under the exhaust, and then back up to the transmission, at some point the cables seem like they have to cross each other, in order for the black cable to be on top, white cable on bottom, where they connect to the transmission. I'm assuming that twisting/crossing isn't anything to worry about since these cables move inside sleeves. But I just wanted to confirm that with you guys before I connect everything.
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Not a big deal.

If you removed the clip that holds the two cables together You may be able to re-position them individually.

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OK great--thanks for the fast response. I'm going to go finish up the job now.

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Well, it was worth a try, but 2nd gear still pops out after installing the new shift cables. I assume it must be some other issue with the transmission.

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