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Old 06-10-2017, 07:23 PM   #121
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Mine had been nicely anti-seized when I went to take them out. They went back in with plenty fresh anti-seize.

My wheel bearings sound like this:
https://youtu.be/J8WHGB8IqB0
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Old 06-10-2017, 08:30 PM   #122
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Don't do that with the axle out as the 2 bearings will separate. It sounds like something may be dragging though. SFK makes a bearing + hub kit and you replace BOTH on BOTH sides. The hub must be checked with a dial indicator for true running AFTER the axle is installed and torqued to spec unloaded while the hub is turned. Do not load or spin excessively until an axle is installed. These things are expensive and easy to ruin.

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Old 06-10-2017, 11:13 PM   #123
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Found this video:
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Looks like one bearing. What am I missing? Also, any idea what would be dragging?

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It is 2 ball bearings and it does come apart. Will appear to the local shade tree mechanic as a single piece. All the issue with service life is related to establishing the proper initial preload on those 2 ball bearings. There is a clear caution in the FSM to not be rolling the car around without axles in place and torqued. Experience indicates that there is some latitude in this caution. A further note from FSM to replace both axle nut and washer as they are single use parts. The reason is to preclude the loss of the preload.

No idea what is making that noise. If there is nothing external then it is the bearing assembly.

Note the 2 separate inner race components. Each half is an angular contact ball bearing.
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Old 06-11-2017, 10:07 AM   #125
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If I decide to replace the bearings is there any reason not to reuse the hub? Although it seems like the hub does not add a lot to the cost.

Some of those redneck bearing replacement videos on YouTube are awesome.

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Old 06-11-2017, 10:39 AM   #126
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YouTube video from the unknown - unverified "experts" are extremely dangerous to equipment and possibly life. The richpin06a videos are technically and technique correct, the remainder may or may not be depending on who made them.

It is critical that the hub face be exactly 90 degrees to the bearing axis of rotation. The remove-reinstall process can and usually does distort them. They can not be straightened and then the rotor must be shimmed to get the disk running true. A failure to do this results in markedly shortened brake and bearing life.

There are multiple hundreds of threads here b1tching about replacement wheel bearing failure. None that I remember have ever mentioned actually checking the installation with a dial indicator but many comments about warped rotors. Guess what, rotors do not warp but hubs do end out of proper alignment. Quality bearings and hubs are not cheap.

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Old 06-11-2017, 12:54 PM   #127
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I've got a dial indicator and know how to use it. I am also considering bolting up a driveshaft to see if the noise goes away.

I am often a bit obtuse in my writing - but to clarify by awesome I mean entertainment value, not technical awesomeness!

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Old 06-11-2017, 02:40 PM   #128
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Yes, stick an axle in there and pull the nut up to 80-100ft-lb while turning the hub. That is not full tight but it will be enough.

At the mileage you are at and the environment the car runs in I would just replace them. Rock Auto has 4 of the SFK kits for about $50.00 ea. They will be more at a local parts store. Anything that makes unexplained noises is ripe for replacement.

AllData has all the brake rotor runout specs and if you divide by 2 then you can use that for the hub as those specs may be hard to find, should be under wheel bearing replacement but you never know where they will be until you find them.

I have been involved in operations and maintenance for a long time. I no longer have any patience for "awesome entertainment value" due to the many hours completely wasted attempting to explain negligence and/or stupidity to outside regulators.

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Old 06-11-2017, 05:35 PM   #129
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Sounds a lot better with the axle in:
https://youtu.be/Orgu2uY-szQ

We got the broken tie rod end off.
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Yes it does. Turn very slowly and feel for any roughness.

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Old 06-13-2017, 10:32 PM   #131
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The bearings feel good. I'm an engineer at my day job, and have seen some bad bearings before. I think I will keep the old ones undisturbed for now.

Tonight we got the rear wheels up on ramps. The ramp part is removable, we just jacked up the car and slid the main part under the wheel. Adam had the good idea to put one ramp going forward and one going backwards so it could not roll off. We took some pictures of our scary brake lines and some other rusty parts. We also tried our first ever bubble flares. I did the one in front of the shiny airplane and Adam did the one over the flare kit.
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If the diameter will fit in the nut and the height is sufficient to get some compression you are good to go with the nuts. Replace brake lines now, all are potential failures.

Best to not replace wheel bearings just for fun but I would buy 2 of the SFK kits now and put on shelf as they may become very hard to find later. If you have a spare in stock the installed component will never fail. <---See Murphy.

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Picture 1: we got the left rear brake line out in one piece. We will duplicate it using nicopp and do the same for the other side.
Picture 2: the cheesy studs that hold the plastic brake/fuel line clips are a disaster. Are they replaceable somehow? Does somebody make replacements?
Picture 3: is this the precat I want to remove? Would it be any better to get an earlier SL2 exhaust manifold?
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Those are probably spot welded on stud mounts. You could drill and tap the frame for short zinc coated machine screws or stainless, either one. Yes, that is the bottom of the preCAT. Be sure to remove o2 sensor before braking it up.

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We got the left rear brake line duplicated and installed. Also got the right rear line out. Looks like we need another roll of nicopp. 25' won't do both rear lines.
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Still working brake lines. Realized I forgot to take a dogbone mount bracket off the subframe before I took it to the scrap yard. It is the one near the drive pulley and is on the left side of this picture (right side of the car though). http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/att...4&d=1495768134

My new one is missing the bracket. Anybody got an extra or have a good source?

Machine shop called. Not much taper but some wear so oversize pistons and a bore job will happen. Crank was good. It is moving along.

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Still working brake lines. Realized I forgot to take a dogbone mount bracket off the subframe before I took it to the scrap yard. It is the one near the drive pulley and is on the left side of this picture (right side of the car though). http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/att...4&d=1495768134

My new one is missing the bracket. Anybody got an extra or have a good source?

Machine shop called. Not much taper but some wear so oversize pistons and a bore job will happen. Crank was good. It is moving along.
I have an extra on my parts car you can have but cross border shipping may make it cost prohibitive. Getting one from an auto wreckers would likely be faster and likely cost the same as the shipping.

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Still working brake lines. Realized I forgot to take a dogbone mount bracket off the subframe before I took it to the scrap yard. It is the one near the drive pulley and is on the left side of this picture (right side of the car though). http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/att...4&d=1495768134

My new one is missing the bracket. Anybody got an extra or have a good source?

Machine shop called. Not much taper but some wear so oversize pistons and a bore job will happen. Crank was good. It is moving along.
"Crank is good" must come with actual numbers. "good" is undefined. The allowed bearing clearance is 0.0002 to 0.002 and you really do not want to start out at 0.002 or you will have low oil pressure problems.

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We have all our hard brake lines replaced. Working with nicopp is a dream. Wish they had it when I was a kid.
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Yes it is nice to work with and it does not rot out.

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