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Old 03-25-2017, 01:31 PM   #41
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Thank you. It was a February night, so it could certainly be classified as cold. It is my personal belief she did not impact the windshield, just the airbag. She had no signs of head injury, etc. She may have, but I'm not entirely convinced.
If the seatbelt is loose or not being worn the driver will hit the airbag hard enough to make that nice pattern in the glass almost every time. The glass in these windshields is designed to be very soft and fracture easily. It is not unusual for someone to crash a car and leave the windshield cracked in this manner and walk away from the accident.

The fact the Saturn started later does not address the presence or absence of coolant in the system. If the car cooling system was intact then it was likely drivable depending on the condition of the lights.

Most inexperienced drivers do not attempt to start a just crashed car though.

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Old 03-26-2017, 02:00 AM   #42
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Windshields are required to perform their task, by federal regulations in effect by the NHTSA.

The glass is glazed and contains plastic, between the two layers, just like any other U.S.-sold vehicle.

Not saying she couldn't walk away from such a crash, and the spider web is quite high, for a woman that was only 5'07". I am 6'02", and IF I was in a collision in my SC2, I would still BARELY hit my forehead in the tinted area. This was an SL2, with a slightly higher roof.

She was highly UNLIKELY to walk away, from that collision, if in fact her forehead shattered the glass. When your forehead hits the glass, your head gets slammed backwards, which is what causes your neck to snap like a toothpick.

Police investigations can, and often, miss certain details.

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Old 03-26-2017, 02:58 AM   #43
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I advise anybody continuing with this thread to do the suggested search for "Maura Murray".

My perception is that anything that her Saturn did or experienced is irrelevant to her disappearance.
Hmm, I went ahead and read over some of the stories, pertaining to this disappearance. It is, indeed, a peculiar story.

The evidence suggests that she was running away, by her call history/internet searches. But why?

That is the question that was definitely unanswered.

A witness seen her, she was not injured in the crash. She was also spotted by a second witness, traveling east on foot(allegedly, as no positive ID was actually confirmed), and this was the opposite of the direction she was traveling in the car.

What has me extremely perplexed: Her cell phone and debit/credit cards have not been used since her disappearance, and she had previously been arrested for using stolen credit cards. She worked as a security guard.

So, what we have is a woman that certainly knew how to commit fraud, and would be aware of how debit/credit cards as well as cell phones could be tracked.

No Facebook profile. MySpace was a big thing, back then. I wonder...., but no profile there as well. She certainly did a good job of staying off the radar. Public records doesn't even show her cellphone number, either.

Really strange.

I still stand with my initial finding, that she wanted to disappear. Whether she is alive or not, I don't know. She was seen shivering(hypothermia and a core body temp drop greater than 1F). She had been drinking, which reduces core body temperature, but the drinker won't feel it due to increased circulation to the extremities.

She even locked the car. But with no social media profiles and no mention of paper mail correspondence with anyone, man.

I wonder if she had a "burner phone". She stole credit card numbers, and her back pack has not been recovered. Burner phones are often used by drug dealers, on prepaid service. And up until the last few years, prepaid accounts were not tracked for SPI(Sensitive Personal Information).

When I worked for AT&T, if we got Prepaid customers calling in to is, their account info would merely display: "Prepaid Customer". We had no way to identify them, so they had to be transferred to the prepaid customer care.

Prepaid phone numbers do not typically come up in public records searches, and she could have used a different name/address.

If I were the police, with cell reception being so spotty in the area she crashed, I would have subpoenaed ALL calls routing through those towers, from that night. Whether or not they can still retrieve that, however, is a mystery.

Each carrier has their own criteria, for destroying old phone records from use of their network.

And considering they never got her text messages, I suspect she had AT&T/Cingular. They are the only carrier, that doesn't save the content of your SMS messages. Every other carrier will save them, in their database, for up to 6 months.

But, if she had Cingular or AT&T, it would be a GSM handset, with a SIM chip. The SIM can be swapped into another phone or cloned. Verizon/Sprint/Alltel handsets were CDMA without SIM chips, and were only tracked by the device IMEI. This would require a second handset, to make a call without being tracked to her original phone.

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