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Old 01-11-2017, 04:31 PM   #1
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Default HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

Because we can all use another shifter bushing thread right?

Can anyone speak of the success, or failure rate, of the HELP shifter bushings that come in a 4 Pk, versus the other options?

Link to 4 pk on Amamzon https://www.amazon.com/Dorman-49448-.../dp/B002E2S8JW

My zip tie Macgyver method works, but really is only temporary.

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Old 01-11-2017, 07:10 PM   #2
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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

I didn't like the stainless. It made it more difficult to get into some gates because it restricts the natural rotational movement of the end loop. I had a replacement end loop for several years and I had to retorque the set screws each oil change. I went back to the factory bushing and that problem went away. Just keep some extra bushings in the glove box.

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Old 01-11-2017, 09:01 PM   #3
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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

Thank you for your reply Robert. I am leaning that route myself at this point.

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Old 01-11-2017, 09:38 PM   #4
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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

Is the GM bushing still readily available?

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Old 01-12-2017, 07:49 AM   #5
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Is the GM bushing still readily available?
Nothing I can find on GMPD
There's a Dorman on RockAuto, doesn't look quite as "sturdy"
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Is the GM bushing still readily available?
It's included with the $150-$200 new shifter cable set, never been sold separately by GM. If the cables are still in stock somewhere, the bushing is available

I had better luck with zip-ties on one car and wire coat hanger on another than that $20 POS Dorman on Rockauto (probably not $20 on RA, but that's what Napa and local parts stores charge for it). Stupid POS broke in half attempting to install it. I know I've wasted money on stupid things before but that one seriously pissed me off...lol

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Old 01-12-2017, 09:27 AM   #7
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OEM replacement cables come from JY only and then it is aftermarket Chinese copies.

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Old 01-12-2017, 09:32 AM   #8
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It's included with the $150-$200 new shifter cable set, never been sold separately by GM. If the cables are still in stock somewhere, the bushing is available

I had better luck with zip-ties on one car and wire coat hanger on another than that $20 POS Dorman on Rockauto (probably not $20 on RA, but that's what Napa and local parts stores charge for it). Stupid POS broke in half attempting to install it. I know I've wasted money on stupid things before but that one seriously pissed me off...lol
My zip-tie fix lasted for quite a while, just shy of 6 months. At that time I was going to look into buying a real bushing replacement but it worked so well that after a week I just left it, and put extra zip-ties and a Philips screw driver in the glove box. I'm glad a did that, it was what saved me from needing a tow.

I've decided I will just get the HELP wiper bushings since it's cheap enough and post my experience with them for anyone else that happens to search this same issue. I'll be keeping extra zip-ties and tools in the car indefinitely.

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The bushing fix you use is dependent on how you like the transmission shift mechanism to operate and the mechanical condition of the transmission.

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OEM replacement cables come from JY only and then it is aftermarket Chinese copies.
Good to hear from you OldNuc, your expertise and wisdom are always welcomed.

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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

I didn't like the looks of the Dorman either, so made my own bushing. The SS wasn't considered due to problems with it already discussed.

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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

I have around 100k miles on my Delrin from saturnbushingman. My trips are rarely more than 25 miles at a time, so very few long, hwy trips are involved.

I stopped carrying a Phillips screwdriver and zip ties shortly afterwards. In the 8 or so years after I joined this forum, I have seen zero reported failures of the saturnbushingman's Delrin bushings.

Looks like I replaced my busing in 2009, did it as preemptive maintenance - so that was about 7 years of driving on it so far.
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Looks like I replaced my busing in 2009, did it as preemptive maintenance - so that was about 7 years of driving on it so far.
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I've also never heard of anyone having issues with the Delrin. I kept mine in the glove box until needed (luckily, I was only about two miles from home when the original let loose leaving me stuck in second and I inched her home). This was a little over four years ago and about 40K miles. No issues at all - can't tell the difference between it and original.

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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

I have ~20K miles and 4 years on the stainless steel (SS) bushing, and it seems to work just fine. Very nicely designed/machined unit. I had bought the SS replacement a few years earlier than that in anticipating the OEM part failure. I had actually tried getting the OEM bushing off when the SS unit arrived, but the OEM one was pressed on there pretty good, so I let it be and just put a few zip ties in the glove box waiting for doomsday.

Of course, when it *did* suddenly fail, it was in heavy traffic/left hand lane of a 4 lane highway......

If I did this over again, I'd have bought the Delrin replacement one because it can be quickly popped in any old time, even at the roadside.

The SS item requires epoxy to cure, so it can't be too cold when you perform the swap.

After the original failure, I bought a Delrin replacement eye hook end for the shifter cable end so I'm all set when the OEM one pulls out.

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IF the SS bushing is properly installed and you do not inadvertently unwind the cable when installing the end loop onto the bushing it will not fail if it was not already compromised by the OEM bushing failure. I have put over 60,000 miles on a SS bushing with no issues and the cables are still functional. I have upgraded the entire assembly to a Hein cable set however. There are very few FIRST HAND reports of SS bushing issues.

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Default Re: HELP wiper bushings VS Delrin VS stainless

I will be going with the Delrin bushing, I do not have the time nor the heated shop to go with SS which uses epoxy. It's not very clear if saturnbushingman and delrin are one in the same, or if saturnbushingman just sells the delrin bushing. Is this the Delrin bushing sold by saturnbushingman that everybody is talking about?

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That's the one you want.

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Delrin is the DuPont brand name for the material that saturnbushingman's bushing is made from. Delrin is a bit easier to spell than polyoxymethylene, though polyoxymethylene is a lot of fun to say

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Of course, when it *did* suddenly fail, it was in heavy traffic/left hand lane of a 4 lane highway......
Stories like this are why I did mine pre-emptively. I had to cut the old bushing off, though.

I don't trust my skills to do the SS properly so will probably buy another delrin bushing for my new-to-me '02. The only thing I will do differently this time is to use the powdered mica that OldNuc recommends, rather than the PTFE that comes with it. As OldNuc says, the powdered mica is good stuff

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Delrin is the DuPont brand name for the material that saturnbushingman's bushing is made from. Delrin is a bit easier to spell than polyoxymethylene, though polyoxymethylene is a lot of fun to say



Stories like this are why I did mine pre-emptively. I had to cut the old bushing off, though.

I don't trust my skills to do the SS properly so will probably buy another delrin bushing for my new-to-me '02. The only thing I will do differently this time is to use the powdered mica that OldNuc recommends, rather than the PTFE that comes with it. As OldNuc says, the powdered mica is good stuff
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