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Old 08-10-2016, 04:03 PM   #1
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So I had to send my 2001 Saturn Wagon(SW2) to the shop because it wouldn't start. The shop notified me that the car's timing belt jumped causing the valves and pistons to make contact. They recommended that we replace the engine and said that they could replace the engine with a used engine $4500 dollars.

Even though i bought it for around $2500 and have put some money into it, that would be way to much money. Would it be a smart option to replace the timing belt and the bent valves/pistons or just move on from the car?

I really appreciate every and any opinion. Thank you.

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Old 08-10-2016, 04:20 PM   #2
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Default Re: Advice on potential engine change

With little info given;

1-Apparently this shop is either less than truthful and/or doesn't know the difference between a timing chain used in S-series engines and a timing belt. Are they confusing the serpentine drive belt that provides power to accessories - water pump, alternator, power steering and a/c compressor? The serp belt is visible, the timing chain is hidden behind the timing cover.

2-$4500 to replace an engine isn't any way near a fair estimate or price.

3-Mileage on this car and engine?

There's a difference between describing an engine not starting and a dead silent no start problem. An engine not starting is described as the starter turns over the engine (suggesting 99% of the time the timing chain is intact, not broken) but the engine won't fire up. A dead silent start without hearing the starter is a separate problem not having anything to do with a damaged timing chain (in your engine).

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Old 08-10-2016, 04:31 PM   #3
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Default Re: Advice on potential engine change

So my Saturn SW2 is a 4 cylinder and is slightly over 100,000 miles. The did refer to it as a timing chain not a belt (my mistake).

When I tried starting it before towing it to the shop, the car would sound like it started but would immediately turn off right after starting. It sounds like the chain is not broken but either stretched or jumped a chain. They said they could check but that would be pricey as well.

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Old 08-10-2016, 04:48 PM   #4
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjBfdu66uZI

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Old 08-10-2016, 05:51 PM   #5
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Default Re: Advice on potential engine change

It still sounds like you need to find a different shop, that one is trying to turn away this job by pricing high.

Only checking that chain, not re-installing even the valve-cover, should be under $100. Checking compression, to see if bent valves is likely, is even less expensive and should be the first step for most any engine no-start/run problem.

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So my Saturn SW2 is a 4 cylinder and is slightly over 100,000 miles. The did refer to it as a timing chain not a belt (my mistake).

When I tried starting it before towing it to the shop, the car would sound like it started but would immediately turn off right after starting. It sounds like the chain is not broken but either stretched or jumped a chain. They said they could check but that would be pricey as well.
You may have a simple problem nowhere near a timing chain issue. If you are not familiar with car repairs, some unscrupulous repair shops will take advantage of a situation.

With a better description about the engine turning over but not firing up may be a typical fuel or spark problem and not about a damaged timing chain. So far, you're providing more info about a starting issue with the engine turning over, implying the timing chain, for now, is fine and may not be the reason for this engine not running. Providing some car history like maintenance and parts replaced can help paint a picture. More troubleshooting is needed to make a determination where the problem lies; fuel, spark, compression, plugs, timing, etc.. Without more info and some suggestions given here, no one can say your engine has a timing chain problem. Perhaps finding another repair shop or troubleshooting on your own or with help from a friend/relative can help. Saturnfans is one place for reaching out to have suggestions on troubleshooting.

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+1 to what the others have said.

This is a good place to start (richpin video, troubleshooting no start on Saturn S series)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjstj9kWos0

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