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Old 08-27-2015, 08:52 PM   #1
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Default Brake and Shake

OK, so I know that there a lot of threads out there about this issue, but its very tough weeding through them all and finding the solution. A lot has been done to this VUE, but it still has the shake in the steering wheel when braking from 70mph, and the pulsation during a slow stop. Here's all the pertinent info:

2005 VUE, V6, FWD, 145,000 miles
NEW rear drums
NEW tires
NEW front calipers and pads
NEW caliper pins
NEW front rotors (re-cut to eliminate any lateral runout).

Had the issue before all these parts were replaced, still have the same issue.
Sometimes you can hear a rhythmic creak in tune with the pulsation on a slow stop coming from drivers front. Im lost and the shop I took it to is at a loss as well. Any help...please? Hint: Its not the brakes.

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Old 08-28-2015, 01:48 AM   #2
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Worn suspension, steering? Can you disable ABS (pull abs fuse) temporarily to eliminate it from contributing to this problem?

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Old 08-28-2015, 05:43 AM   #3
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Default Re: Brake and Shake

Suspension is fine - checked by two different repair shops. ABS fuse? My daughter lives 1.5 hours away, next time I see her, I might try that.

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Old 08-28-2015, 08:06 AM   #4
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How about checking run-out with the rotor on the car?

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Old 08-28-2015, 01:43 PM   #5
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Default Re: Brake and Shake

Have the caliper slide pins been greased in the last 5000 miles? YOu might try changing to all solid pins while you're it.

Another cause:
THere are 2 U-joints in the steering. It's possible the bolt that snugs down each connection to it's splined mate "downstream" is loose.

BEfore tightening it, loosen it so that any axial play in the joint can be taken up( pull on it)..

Then tighten it.

One is easy to see if you look face up where your ankles would be while driving.

Other is in the engine bay.

Have the caliper slide pins been greased in the last 5000 miles? YOu might try changing to all solid pins while you're it.

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Old 08-28-2015, 05:32 PM   #6
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...Betcha its the rotors, you had them cut which makes them thinner and more prone to warping even faster, they're bad to begin with ,stock. Thanx to NY salty winters ,I buy a set every 2 years. Don't waste your time cutting rotors in my opinion, just my .02, DC

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Old 08-29-2015, 07:20 AM   #7
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It does sound like the rotors are still warped. The common creaking sound kind of confirms it. The creaking sound is from the front sway bar moving in its bushings, and it only occurs when the left/right forces are unbalanced That sound will go away for a while if you replace the sway bar end links and bushings and/or grease the bushings. I'd bring the rotors to another place to get checked / turned. They may have not used a torque wrench when they (or you?) reinstalled the wheels. That can warp rotors. Even taking the wheels off and reinstalling all four of them in different locations can affect this. Are your tires okay? Not out of round/tread separation? No bent rim? You could try moving (rotating) the front tires and wheels to the back of the Vue and the rears to the front. That would test whether or not you have a bad tire or rim if the ride changes. You didn't have the new drums turned I noticed. The last mail order drums I bought were warped from the get go. That doesn't make the steering wheel shake but it makes the whole car shake in a front to back motion.

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Old 08-29-2015, 10:15 PM   #8
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Default Re: Brake and Shake

Its not the brakes, (drums replaced twice by repair shop), its not the rotors (putting new ones on did nothing to improve anything), caliper pins have been replaced by solid pins, its not the tires (old tires, new tires, same shake). Stab bar bushings are a possibility, did that to my wifes ION and problem was solved. Looking for someone who had this issue and solved it.

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Old 08-30-2015, 10:10 AM   #9
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. Looking for someone who had this issue and solved it.
HAve you checked this yet?
Another cause:
THere are 2 U-joints in the steering. It's possible the bolt that snugs down each connection to it's splined mate "downstream" is loose.

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Old 08-31-2015, 02:28 PM   #10
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Its not the brakes, (drums replaced twice by repair shop), its not the rotors (putting new ones on did nothing to improve anything), caliper pins have been replaced by solid pins, its not the tires (old tires, new tires, same shake). Stab bar bushings are a possibility, did that to my wifes ION and problem was solved. Looking for someone who had this issue and solved it.
I've had the same problem on my sl-1 as well as the VUE, turned out to be rust scale on the hub. Since both sl-1 and vue use hat style rotors if the surface they ride on (the hub surface) is not flat then the pads deposit material on the high spots and the pulsing returns. Pull the rotors off and inspect the hubs surface for scale(rust). Note, the acceptable run out for a rotor is something like .04 inches so it doesn't take much.

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Old 08-31-2015, 02:43 PM   #11
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Are you sure of 0.04 as acceptable runout? If I'm not mistaken, 0.04 is a typical spark plug gap and large. I thought it was more like 0.002 inch absolute runout using a dial indicator. 0.04 or spark plug gap would be obvious.

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Old 09-03-2015, 12:46 PM   #12
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Are you sure of 0.04 as acceptable runout? If I'm not mistaken, 0.04 is a typical spark plug gap and large. I thought it was more like 0.002 inch absolute runout using a dial indicator. 0.04 or spark plug gap would be obvious.
Whether it's 4 hundredths or 4 thousandth of an inch, it doesn't take much rust on the mating surface to cause the rotor to not run true.

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Old 09-03-2015, 01:35 PM   #13
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Well, there's a big difference between 0.040 and 0.002. Two thousandths runout is most likely not noticeable to anyone using brakes since worn brake with wavy ridges on rotors and pads deeper than two thousandths aren't generating vibrations. Forty thousandths runout is obvious without a dial caliper and seen almost immediately by just spinning a tire - the large runout would be seen and heard as brakes bind. Two thousandths is nothing relative to runout. Forty thousandths is twenty times more.

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Old 11-27-2015, 02:18 PM   #14
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So my daughter came back from college for Thanksgiving and I tackled the Vue to fix this problem. Im posting this in case anyone else has this issue and to close the loop on this item. Early on, I said it wasn't the brakes...it's the front lower control arm Rear Bushings. It's a piece of cake to replace and less than $100 for both sides. My daughter just texted me and said "it's so smooooth". Yeah!!

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