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Old 01-07-2012, 09:10 PM   #1
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Default Replacing CD/Radio

I'd like to replace my broken CD and radio unit (the radio works fine),
with something comparable and easy to install. Some of these posts have suggested Crutchfield Electronics as one good place to try.

Is this an item where i should condsider the JY or get something new??

If i did get a new one, any suggestions on brand and model for something at least as good as stock or better??

Circuits are my weakness but i can handle simple wiring.

I have a 2000 SL2. Thanks

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Old 01-07-2012, 11:17 PM   #2
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Order a wiring harness and you just match up the wire colors to the cd player of your choice and it plugs into your factory wiring plug.

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Old 01-07-2012, 11:55 PM   #3
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As the previous poster said, if you order from Crutchfield they can also supply a wiring adapter that is pretty much plug-and-play and can also supply a mounting adapter that makes the job simple. Even many WalMart stores carry the adapters now. So do Autozones and others (at least around here).

I have a "mech-less" deck in my SC2 that uses SD and USB media only. At first it is a little weird not having a CD mechanism, but it grows on you really quickly. No skips, no handling disks, no worries, great sound. I have about 200 songs on an SD card and about 1,000 on a USB thumb drive that drive around with me all the time.

However if you really want good sound, you really should replace your speakers and the wires to them. It's not that difficult to do.

But at the minimum, yes it is pretty easy to replace the OEM deck with an aftermarket one these days.

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Crutchfield.com sends you the wire harness adapter, the fascia and full instructions for the install. I think that even a caveman could do it. The only problem I had was the ground wire. Could not use the one in the harness, had to go directly to the chassis.

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Has anyone tried the Parrot Asteroid digital / bluetooth / internet radio as direct OEM replacement in his/her "S" car yet?

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Old 01-08-2012, 12:36 AM   #6
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Is this an item where i should condsider the JY or get something new??
It depends on what features you want and/or how much you are willing to spend. If you want features like USB input, aux input, Bluetooth or are planning other upgrades like adding an external amp and sub, you can get a good feature-packed radio that would fit the bill for under $150. Radios with built-in Bluetooth will likely cost a little more. If you order the radio from Crutchfield, the wire harness and mounting kit are free if the radio costs more than $129. I have used Crutchfield for purchases in the past, and I would recommend them.

Currently, I like the JVC radios the most. Ten years ago, I would have said I like Alpine or Pioneer radios the most. IMO none of the popular brands are really bad, but the lower-end JVC radios sound very noticeably better compared to similarly-priced Pioneer or Sony models IMO.

Here are a few suggestions for aftermarket radios that do not have Bluetooth:

Kenwood Excelon KDC-X595
This one has alot of features, and the 3-line display is normally unheard of at this price. I know that manufacturers probably do it because it makes controlling an iPod easier, but I am not a fan of the volume knob that also acts as a joytick.

JVC Arsenal KD-A725
I also really like this one.

Of course, if you are content with the factory CD player, these can be bought off ebay for under $30 and it would be a plug & play swap.

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Old 01-08-2012, 10:18 AM   #7
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THANKS for all your good ideas and suggestions. Give me some time to work thru them and i'll let you know what i'm going to do.

In the meantime if anyone else has anything to add i'd appreciate hearing from them.

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THANKS for all your good ideas and suggestions. Give me some time to work thru them and i'll let you know what i'm going to do.

In the meantime if anyone else has anything to add i'd appreciate hearing from them.
Well I got lucky at a pull a part yard, they had just put a 95 sl 2 out had a Jensen am/fm cd had the remote, face plate box, dash adapter and harnness $20, plug and play, heck the dash adapter is $20 not that hard to do,

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Old 01-08-2012, 09:23 PM   #9
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As luck would have it, I have done two of these in the last 30 days.

We got an aftermarket sony sytem for my son's 99 SL1. Wife got from some online outfit. They supplied the adapter face plate and the harness. I had to solder up all the color coded connections, but that was the hardest part. I suppose I could have used crimp connectors, but I liked the soldering practice. Also use heat shrink to protect all the connections.

My daugters '02 SL1 had a bad factory cd player and a couple of the radio buttons were not working. We found a really nice factory unit at the locatl U-Pull for $10. It is working great now.

I tend to prefer factory sound systems, but my son wanted a nicer sony system in his car. FWIW

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The only problem I had was the ground wire. Could not use the one in the harness, had to go directly to the chassis.
Oh yes, I forgot to mention that. Ground the new radio chassis directly to the car frame (even the metal support underneath the plastic trim will do). Otherwise you will have a lot of weird issues like popping noises, dropouts and more. Use 10 or 12 gauge wire, not because there is all that much current going through it, but because you want a very low resistance ground.

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When I was recently looking, I decided that I was mainly going to play music from USB flash drives. I loaded up a memory stick with music and inserted it into MANY different car stereos at Best Buy and other stores. I found that most brands were awful at the way they let you search for music, but the Sony units were really good, and the Kenwood units were my second favorite.

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Old 01-09-2012, 07:40 PM   #12
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I have heard that they were pretty good.

Mine is a Blaupunkt and is so-so in that regard. It goes strictly in the order that the files are on the media, within each directory. Also, when you get more than about 40-50 songs in a directory it takes excessively long to scan when it first powers up. Once scanned though, it changes directories and songs rapidly.

So the trick I have found is to group things by year or genre or whatever, always having less than 50 per directory, and then simply have a whole bunch of directories off the root of the drive. Then it works pretty fast and seems quite happy. It isn't happy with SDHC cards (above 2gb), but the USB can handle almost anything I care to plug into it (so long as it is organized as described above).

One of these days I am going to format a 250gb external drive I have, dump about 20,000 songs on it and rig up a switched secondary power source for it from the amplifier enable output on the deck (the USB port cannot power a real HDD itself). Could be interesting.

The Blaupunkt sounds very good with 128k and 320k ("lossless") bps MP3s, so I try to rip CDs at the higher rates whenever possible.

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One of these days I am going to format a 250gb external drive I have, dump about 20,000 songs on it
You think that will be enough for a standard road trip?

What type of music do you listen to? My collection only has about 250 songs so far. Can I 'borrow' some from you?

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You think that will be enough for a standard road trip?

What type of music do you listen to? My collection only has about 250 songs so far. Can I 'borrow' some from you?
Nope thats not enough lol....

I'm at 6k mostly Country Music need to work on it need up to 50k

also DIY a laptop hard drive (powered by USB) will not work on head-units?

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I'm at 6k mostly Country Music
Shoot. You can't help me. I'm into classic rock from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.

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also DIY a laptop hard drive (powered by USB) will not work on head-units?
Dunno. After 9 years with the stock radio, I finally switched it out with one that had a USB port so I could connect my ipod to it. I'm being dragged into the new tech age!

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Where shall I start?

I spend at least two hours a day in my car, unfortunately. So I can go through 30-40 songs in a commute cycle quite easily, especially if I get bored with a song and skip it. It adds up.

I have at least 350 LPs, around 250 CDs and should I ever run out of listening material our son has well over 2,200 LPs (by actual count) and who knows how many CDs of his own. So between us we could rip 30,000 MP3s very easily, minus overlaps of course. A frightening thought, actually.

Sorry, I can't share them for obvious legal reasons. Between he and I we have either purchased or inherited them over the course of the last 20 years or more. We even have a couple of records from the 1930's (78's of course). A lot of them came from local used record stores going out of business ($0.50-$2 per album typically, sometimes $5 for a box full).

Depending upon my mood I'll listen to anything from 1950's rock and roll, Beatles, Stones, Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix, Steppenwolf, James Taylor and Gordon Lightfoot through Lady Gaga, Cee Lo Greene, Sugarland, Kenny Chesney, Garth Brooks, Dwight Yoakam, Toby Keith, etc, etc. I don't like all of any single genre, but something out of almost every genre.

The reason that a USB hard disk drive will not work on a typical head unit such as my Blaupunkt is that the USB port typically only supplies up to around 500ma of power. That's plenty for a normal flash drive, but not enough for most hard drives to spin up and move the heads around. This is also true for a lot of computers, and especially laptops. You may get lucky, but I wouldn't place a bet on it.

So for that reason alone most USB drive cases will have a separate power jack. Or, some will have dual USB connections so that it can draw power from more than one USB port. I have examples of both styles laying around, ranging from 10-250gb and have a 1tb USB backup drive that definitely requires external power.

If you take the 12 volt output from the head that controls the sub-amps and use it to run the drive (through a regulator), it should be enough. If not, a small relay or switching transistor should do the job to switch in battery power. Most of the external drives need about an amp to work.

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A ssd drive should work though and if you dig around you can find a box for an outboard drive that connects to +12v for the drive motor and the signal is on USB. The case contains the regulators and filters fro the 12v power. The latest USB 3.0/2.0 External SSD drives should work.

I have installed a SSD in a single computer and I will never buy another mechanical drive for the main drives in a computer. And my idea of mechanical drives is the Western Digital VelociRaptor 10K rpm drive. These mechanical drives will be relegated to backup service. These are mounted in the outboard cases with USB connection and a wall wart power supply that is conditioned in the case.

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Shoot. You can't help me. I'm into classic rock from the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s.
lol COUNTRY BORN AND BREAD once i get my Vue its getting at least 1 or 2 decals with Jhon Deere.... GET R' DONE or something of that sort on it lol

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lol orrrrrr just put an eight track player in there take you back some..... with me being 20 all I remember growing up was cassettes and then CDs then MP3... where i'm like this is amazing (now starting looking at LPs )

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Where shall I start?

I spend at least two hours a day in my car, unfortunately. So I can go through 30-40 songs in a commute cycle quite easily, especially if I get bored with a song and skip it. It adds up.
Same here but 2 days a week I'm commuting to a college 2 hrs round trip

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I have at least 350 LPs, around 250 CDs and should I ever run out of listening material our son has well over 2,200 LPs (by actual count) and who knows how many CDs of his own. So between us we could rip 30,000 MP3s very easily, minus overlaps of course. A frightening thought, actually.

Sorry, I can't share them for obvious legal reasons. Between he and I we have either purchased or inherited them over the course of the last 20 years or more. We even have a couple of records from the 1930's (78's of course). A lot of them came from local used record stores going out of business ($0.50-$2 per album typically, sometimes $5 for a box full).

Depending upon my mood I'll listen to anything from 1950's rock and roll, Beatles, Stones, Moody Blues, Jimi Hendrix, Steppenwolf, James Taylor and Gordon Lightfoot through Lady Gaga, Cee Lo Greene, Sugarland, Kenny Chesney, Garth Brooks, Dwight Yoakam, Toby Keith, etc, etc. I don't like all of any single genre, but something out of almost every genre.
Yeah about that im country/ country folk, classic rock, christian, and U2/The killers

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The reason that a USB hard disk drive will not work on a typical head unit such as my Blaupunkt is that the USB port typically only supplies up to around 500ma of power. That's plenty for a normal flash drive, but not enough for most hard drives to spin up and move the heads around. This is also true for a lot of computers, and especially laptops. You may get lucky, but I wouldn't place a bet on it.

So for that reason alone most USB drive cases will have a separate power jack. Or, some will have dual USB connections so that it can draw power from more than one USB port. I have examples of both styles laying around, ranging from 10-250gb and have a 1tb USB backup drive that definitely requires external power.

If you take the 12 volt output from the head that controls the sub-amps and use it to run the drive (through a regulator), it should be enough. If not, a small relay or switching transistor should do the job to switch in battery power. Most of the external drives need about an amp to work.
What i'm looking at once I get the Vue is a Pioneer Nav/DVD (no dont have it on my phone) to use on long trips/ not worry about it... type in destination and go.... rear mounted USB... run line to glove box.....

with you saying that you dont think they can handle like the 60 GB external (2.5 IDE harddrive in enclosure powered by USB only) might figure out how to wire up couple of IDE hard drives i have laying around (have about 20ish from 512 MB- 120 GB from scrapping computers) (of corse those are the FREE ones lol) now if i really wanted to have my (2) 640 GB WD, (1) 1 TB WD, or the (1) samsung spin-point inside my Roswell enclosure lol

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I have a "mech-less" deck in my SC2 that uses SD and USB media only. At first it is a little weird not having a CD mechanism, but it grows on you really quickly. No skips, no handling disks, no worries, great sound. I have about 200 songs on an SD card and about 1,000 on a USB thumb drive that drive around with me all the time.

However if you really want good sound, you really should replace your speakers and the wires to them. It's not that difficult to do.

Actually, just short of turning right around and putting a record player in, the best sound would be an uncompressed CD. MP3s on a flash drive are useless when you have a great speaker system. Sure, plugging in an iPod solves plenty of woes with changing CDs on a road trip, but the effort of bringing a CD into the car and playing it (and as bumpy as my car rides are, I rarely experience a skip) is much more worthwhile for driving around town.

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i can say externals work for this, although slow to load sometimes depending on size and all thats on there, but it will work, best is the ones powered by the USB connection and not the AC adapter...

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