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Old 11-20-2014, 06:21 PM   #1
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I have OEM Saturn fog lights in my 1994 SL2. About 15 years ago, they burned out, so I had them replaced at the Saturn dealer for $70 each. Within a year, they burned out again. Due to the high price, I left them burned out.

What is their construction?
Are they a big glass bulb with 2 metal prongs out the back?
Or are they like the modern headlights, with small, removable bulbs that twist into the back side of a headlight assembly?

Are OEM Saturn replacement fog lights still in the $70 range?

Is there an aftermarket fog light option that would fit perfectly in the same space as the OEM Saturn headlights?

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Old 11-25-2014, 10:24 AM   #2
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I've done a little searching and bulb replacement books say the replacement bulb for the 1994 SL2 fog lights is an 880, which is a replaceable bulb that gets mounted into a housing (rather than a sealed glass bulb assembly with 2 prongs sticking out the back).

I also read that the 893 bulbs (a slightly higher Wattage) last longer than the 880 bulbs.

In looking at the auto parts stores, all the fog lights are clear or blue-tinted. Isn't yellow a better color for clarity of vision? (reference blue-blocker sunglasses which enhance contrast in hazy conditions)

The lens on my driver's side fog light is cracked (split from top to bottom). I'm thinking this will let water in any maybe cause problems with hot bulbs? I should probably replace that lens, yes?

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Old 11-25-2014, 11:32 AM   #3
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Here's a look at my driver's side fog lamp lens.

Note, how the thick end of the lens is towards the middle of the car.
Is that right?
Should the thick end of the lens be towards the side of the car?
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Old 11-25-2014, 12:25 PM   #4
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I can't advise on mounting position, but I'd definitely replace the lens since the crack will definitely allow in enough water to shorten bulb life greatly. Bulb color is mostly a matter of taste when you are staying with the same technology, but personally I'd go with clear for a stock appearance.

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Old 11-25-2014, 12:27 PM   #5
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880 LED bulb from Super Bright LED's...
Yellow and blue tint available...

I don't know how bright they are,
been trying to put fogs in...

https://www.superbrightleds.com/more...ing-light/151/

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Old 11-25-2014, 12:36 PM   #6
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Yellow cuts better in snow and fog but has less reach. If you want to use the fogs as normal low road surface lights then 2700 to 3200 color temperature white bulbs will work best. The Saturn stock fog lights are quite capable of drawing a 29" vacuum on an onion sack performance wise. Getting a decent set of aftermarket lamps and mounting them is the easiest fix, just not the cheapest. The wiring and relay will handle a nominal load increase but the stock housings probably will not.

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Old 11-25-2014, 01:00 PM   #7
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My Outback use's 9006's for fog lights, it's setup dumps 80% of the light within 3ft of the front bumper, but does so all around the car (unlike the S-Series lights that act more like a DRIVING light than a FOG light). When I put yellow 9006's in it turned the entire low beam reach yellow not just where the fogs normally reached...funniest looking thing from the driver seat

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Old 11-25-2014, 02:05 PM   #8
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Thanks for the input.

I'm going to try a pair of these xenon-filled yellow bulbs:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

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Old 11-27-2014, 02:05 PM   #9
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Finding a replacement lense is going to be next to impossible. Try the pick and pulls and then the regular junk yards. If you find a drivers side lense easy swap. Passenger side lense is doable just a little bit more involved. Put it and your broken drivers side lense in the oven just long enough to soften the glue. Pry both lenses off clean up the drivers side add a bead of rtv sealeant flip the passengers lenses onto the drivers side and you are good to go. I forgot the temp of the oven and how long but look it up on the internet.

Another round about way would be to go to NAPA and look for auxiliary driving lights "Navigator" by pilot NV-100. Use the oven trick and put one of those lenses on. The overall second easiest way would be to cut both black wires on the saturn housing and the NV-100 and connect them. I went this way because the ring that holds the bulb in place rust away to nothing and there is no replacement for that. That way I have use of my fogs and can stockpile any serviceable saturn ones. Good luck.

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Old 11-28-2014, 12:12 PM   #10
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Luck is with us!
There's a seller on ebay with NOS GM fog lamps!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/neatcollectibles/m.html

I bought a right AND a left!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-OEM-Fog-...-/231403193881

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-OEM-Fog-...-/231403196020

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Old 11-30-2014, 07:20 PM   #11
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The fog light lens assemblies have arrived - just like the originals, only not rusty!

I removed one of the original lens assemblies from my car and saw that the connectors had corroded OFF the wires! The light bulb is still in-tact (still has a low resistance between the bulb terminals), albeit with rusty terminals.
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/a...psvosliaqb.jpg

I also noted that the distance from the bulb to the back plate is about 1/2 the length as the 880 bulbs for sale in the auto parts stores! Huh??
http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/a...ps47770c1b.jpg

Because the leads are so long on the 880 bulbs from the auto parts stores, they hit the black metal light cutoff inside the lens assembly before their back plate seats, so you can't secure them like the originals.

Did Saturn have a special version of the 880 bulbs with shorter leads?
Will I have to modify an auto parts store 880 bulb to be like the original bulbs??

Another issue: Given that the connectors have rusted off the wires, I think I need a new wire harness to plug onto any light bulb. When, I reached up behind the plastic cowel pieces, I felt a plastic wire-to-wire connector about 6-8 inches from the ends of the fog light wires. I believe I need a new wiring harness that goes between that wire-to-wire connector and the light bulb prongs?

Any idea what part number of this wiring harness is and where to get one?

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Old 12-01-2014, 10:18 AM   #12
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880 Bulbs:
It looks like GM DID create their own version of the 880 bulb!!
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/x,ca...B1994%2BSATURN

What is everyone else doing when you need to replace the fog lamp?
Buy an auto parts store bulb, cut the terminals and insert it into the GM metal base?
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/atta...y-pnp-clip.jpg


Wire assembly: Is this what I need to replace my corroded fog light wire harness?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-AC-DELCO...-/201213294370

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It looks like GM's wire harness has female spade connectors at the ends of the wire harness to plug onto the spade lugs of the light bulb.
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I just discovered that an H3 bulb is a match for the Saturn fog bulb, NOT 880!

http://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-H3-ST.../dp/B000AME5J0
http://www.jcwhitney.com/hella-h3-oe...50425y1994g2j1
http://www.autozone.com/electrical-a...ini-bulb/4322/

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This page says the original OEM bulb is only 6.8W??
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/more...607&cc=1266937
That doesn't sound right!?

All the halogen replacement bulbs (H3 and 880) I'm seeing are 27W-55W!
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B000H0KNSM/...I36WQXB0T4YR98
http://www.amazon.com/Sylvania-880BP...words=880+bulb
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That should probably be amps and not watts.

If that fog lamp has any plastic parts don't get over 55W or it will melt. H3 is probably a better bet.

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That should probably be amps and not watts.
If the 6.8 number is Amps, then the Wattage of the bulb is 6.8A * 13V = 88.4W, which is a higher Wattage than the main headlights.

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If that fog lamp has any plastic parts don't get over 55W or it will melt. H3 is probably a better bet.
Agreed on the H3 bulbs!
The 880 bulbs will not fit in the 1994 fog lamp housing.

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You can find 90W H3 bulbs with no problem. That is why you have to be careful when you buy them.

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You can find 90W H3 bulbs with no problem. That is why you have to be careful when you buy them.
I will avoid going above 55W. The main headlight bulbs (9006 bulbs) are rated at 55W. It makes sense to me that the fog lights would be a similar Wattage.

I've ordered some 35W and a 55W H3 bulbs. My plan is to start with the 55W and see if all is ok, as far as heat is concerned.

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Most of those fog light housings/reflectors are designed to light the first 30-40 ft in front of the car with minimum upward light splatter. They should fill in the dark spot between the car and the low beam spot at most. If you are looking for a longer reach beam then you need to upgrade the bulb housings.

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