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Old 11-05-2014, 02:51 PM   #1
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Default 2005 Ion 3

I have a 2005 Saturn ION 3 with 2.2. with A/T and had four lug rim pattern and not the 5 lug pattern. I think its the redline but most post on the board shows the redline with the 2.0, so I dont know for sure May someone can tell me for sure by the pic.

The main problem is that it has started idling low after warm up and will stall and die frequently when I put it in gear and try to leave. When I come to a stop I sometimes have to hold the idle up a little to keep it from stalling. It gives a P0121.
I have cleared the code and took battery cable off for over 2 hours to clear and reset.
I have turn the key to On/Engine Off and let sit for 30+ sec. to let reset (saw on a post). Still it doesn't help it.
Seems that it started this after we had the ignition switch replaced because of the recall, but I'm not positive of that.
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Old 11-05-2014, 03:24 PM   #2
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You have a base model. Not a Redline.
You need to start with cleaning your throttle body. If that doesn't work, then replace either your throttle body or gas pedal, whichever is cheaper first.
I would start with the throttle body first though. Neither of which hard to do.

I also think I answered this on redline forums for yuh....

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Old 11-05-2014, 03:39 PM   #3
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You have a base model. Not a Redline.
You need to start with cleaning your throttle body. If that doesn't work, then replace either your throttle body or gas pedal, whichever is cheaper first.
I would start with the throttle body first though. Neither of which hard to do.

I also think I answered this on redline forums for yuh....
I am on that forum but I didnt notice an answer as of yet, that's why i put it here too.
Also is the car an Ion 3 Base? is that what your saying.

The dealership said they could diagnosis the car for a flat fee. Do you think their scanner can pinpoint the problem accurately whether pedal or TB, because that unit isn't cheap.
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Old 11-05-2014, 04:26 PM   #4
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Post these questions in the tech section. You can get the codes read by your local parts store if the cel is on.

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Old 11-05-2014, 05:30 PM   #5
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DTC P0121 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1 Performance

The dealership won't find anything more than what you already know - you already have an error code P0121 but haven't spent the time searching for the definition and various methods to diagnose/troubleshoot/repair this problem. Manually resetting error codes won't make them go away. Here's a brief reprint from the service manual;

The engine control module (ECM) uses the following information to calculate an expected airflow rate:
  • The throttle position (TP)
  • The barometric pressure (BARO)
  • The manifold absolute pressure (MAP)
  • The intake air temperature (IAT)
  • The mass air flow (MAF)
  • The engine RPM
If the ECM detects the airflow rate is more than expected, DTC P0121 sets.


Car mileage, maintenance done, parts replaced? Without any history of what's been done, guessing on parts replacement can be expensive. This may be as simple as a dirty air filter, vacuum leak somewhere or dirty throttle amongst any other reasons not yet explained (required periodic maintenance). And if you have to ask, I manually opened my electric/electronic throttle (L300) to clean it, after removal from the engine, and have never experienced any problems despite the rumors that they are not supposed to be handled. Unfamiliarity scares people.

Drive by wire throttle/pedal/ecm systems are no different from cable operated throttle bodies - electronics replaced everything and a precision servo motor commanded by the ecm/pcm moves the throttle plate according to pedal input signals. There are millions of drive by wire systems around the world; every major commercial airplane has them and adapting this technology to cars wasn't rocket science and are just as reliable.

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Old 11-05-2014, 05:53 PM   #6
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DTC P0121 Throttle Position (TP) Sensor 1 Performance

The dealership won't find anything more than what you already know - you already have an error code P0121 but haven't spent the time searching for the definition and various methods to diagnose/troubleshoot/repair this problem. Manually resetting error codes won't make them go away. Here's a brief reprint from the service manual;

The engine control module (ECM) uses the following information to calculate an expected airflow rate:
  • The throttle position (TP)
  • The barometric pressure (BARO)
  • The manifold absolute pressure (MAP)
  • The intake air temperature (IAT)
  • The mass air flow (MAF)
  • The engine RPM
If the ECM detects the airflow rate is more than expected, DTC P0121 sets.


Car mileage, maintenance done, parts replaced? Without any history of what's been done, guessing on parts replacement can be expensive. This may be as simple as a dirty air filter, vacuum leak somewhere or dirty throttle amongst any other reasons not yet explained (required periodic maintenance). And if you have to ask, I manually opened my electric/electronic throttle (L300) to clean it, after removal from the engine, and have never experienced any problems despite the rumors that they are not supposed to be handled. Unfamiliarity scares people.

Drive by wire throttle/pedal/ecm systems are no different from cable operated throttle bodies - electronics replaced everything and a precision servo motor commanded by the ecm/pcm moves the throttle plate according to pedal input signals. There are millions of drive by wire systems around the world; every major commercial airplane has them and adapting this technology to cars wasn't rocket science and are just as reliable.
I.m sorry if I post this in wrong place. I have researched this to the point of pulling hair. The issue is not so much the code, but the weak idle and stalling when I enter REVERSE gear or come to a stop and the car dies. I was going to clean the TPS when I found out it in in the unit. ANd this Saturn is so different from my 1994. I didn't know the pedal now was designed different.
I will remove the unit from the engine and clean it and see if this fixes the weak idle and stall.
Thanks for the info.

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Old 11-05-2014, 09:54 PM   #7
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Sorry, I missed that you already had a code. Cleaning the throttle body is the first step, because they get quite dirty.

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Old 11-06-2014, 01:08 PM   #8
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I think if you have alloy wheels it is a Ion 3 then. It was something like that, because their are different trims.
You don't have to take the throttle body off to clean it, although it does help. Ive take mine off my redline once to clean it, and just wipe it down when I get the code for it. Its really not hard to do.

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Old 11-06-2014, 04:02 PM   #9
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False, my level 2 came with alloys.

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Old 11-07-2014, 12:13 AM   #10
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False, my level 2 came with alloys.
I wasn't positive, as I stated.

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Old 11-07-2014, 08:38 AM   #11
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Does the innercooler pump wiring issue just affect the Redline models or does it concern other models also?
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Old 11-07-2014, 09:27 AM   #12
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If you don't have a supercharger, you don't have an intercooler.

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Old 11-07-2014, 09:32 AM   #13
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If you don't have a supercharger, you don't have an intercooler.

Hallelujah.

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Old 11-07-2014, 12:48 PM   #14
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Hallelujah.
answered this on rlf, too.
you payed for a membership?

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theres many ways to identify between a QC and a RL

Visual differences
RL has 5 lug wheels, all other ions have 4
RL also has no opening between the bumper cover and the hood, and QC have the gap.
RL i believe says "Redline" on the gauge cluster (correct me if im wrong on this).

Engine wise, RL only come with a 2.0 supercharged, all others have 2.2 (06-07 ions have the 2.4 option)

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nope, doesn't say redline.
It does go up to 140 instead of 120 though.

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i do remember seeing a cluster that said redline on it, but it may have been customized.

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i do remember seeing a cluster that said redline on it, but it may have been customized.
Its aftermarket. Black cat custom makes them.
They do some pretty awesome work, too.

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answered this on rlf, too.
you payed for a membership?

I don't know what rlf is. If its a post of mine, I prolly forgot where it was.

Yes I paid for a membership for several reasons.
Auto Zone charged me for a manual and I find the info here as much a value as Auto Zones manual.
Plus the manual wont answer me back for clarity on issues.
And you guys will usually send me in the right direction pretty quickly.
The few dollars it cost me on some of these boards have saved me tons of money in self repair and needless replacement of parts that were faulty or not the issue.
Also, it's better than thumbing a ride. LOL
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I don't know what rlf is. If its a post of mine, I prolly forgot where it was.

Yes I paid for a membership for several reasons.
Auto Zone charged me for a manual and I find the info here as much a value as Auto Zones manual.
Plus the manual wont answer me back for clarity on issues.
And you guys will usually send me in the right direction pretty quickly.
The few dollars it cost me on some of these boards have saved me tons of money in self repair and needless replacement of parts that were faulty or not the issue.
Also, it's better than thumbing a ride. LOL
Thanks for everything
Its redline forums. haha
Yea, im not going to say the manuals are useless, but most of us check in several times a day. So we will answer back.
Anything is better than thumbing a ride!
We are all here to help each other, that is the point of this!

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