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Old 05-21-2003, 10:14 AM   #1
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Hello all,

I would like to anounce that I am a proud owner of a silver QC.

I need your help.

I bought a new QC on Friday, I decided to upgrade to one with a sunroof on Monday. I went in to exchance it and the sold me one with 17" crome wheels and the sunroof (fully loaded) for $3000 more.


The next morning they called me telling me they made a mistake and want the wheels back, They cost an additional $2,200 by them selfs.

What should I do?? They sold me on the car because of the wheels. The managers and the salepeople were all aware that the wheels were on the car before we took delivery. I assumed they were included.

What legal recorse do I have? I dont want to cheat anyone, but thats why I bought the car (the wheels).

What shoud I do???

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Old 05-21-2003, 10:41 AM   #2
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It sounds like Saturn is at fault. The way I see it, you just spent an addition $3,000 at their dealership. If they want to get picky, tell them they can have the damn car back and you will go somewhere else.

Check the laws for Illinois, because some states require a "cooling off" period - about a week after you buy the car that you can decide to return it if you choose to do so. Other states don't give consumers that choice - once you sign the contract, the car is yours.

If they keep harassing you, find one of those lawyers that offer free consultations and see what your legal rights are.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:25 AM   #3
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If this was a mistake made by the Saturn dealer (which it appears to be) then tough luck on them. I'd keep the car and take the matter to Customer Service at Saturn to see if they can resolve the matter. It's certainly not your fault as one would naturally assume that everything was included on the car you bought and contracted for. The dealer made a mistake and didn't realize this until you had signed the contract and taken delivery of the car so in my opinion they have to live with it.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:38 AM   #4
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I hate to say this. But the old "bait and switch" seems to have failed at the switch portion of the game. I think that Saturn should to say "oops, we goofed that one, And have a nice day." I believe that they still will. So how many people, including me, have had small pricey acessories added at the signing. Like floor mats, and etc? They are professionals. They are well paid not to goof like that.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:43 AM   #5
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You have a signed contract in your hand stating the sale of the car with the features on it at the time of sale. It is a legal binding document, and they must abide by it. I would certainly inform them of this and let them know that you would be willing to make it a court matter if they wish to pursue the matter further. (If you want the car that bad).

I can gurantee you that they would be shoving the contract down your throat if the situation was reversed.

They screwed up, they get to eat the mistake.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:53 AM   #6
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While I agree that they are indeed at fault for this mix-up, you will have to handle things diplomatically. Especially if they have the only Saturn Retailer within a driving distance you are willing to make. Why? Even though they have to fix things, they can be picky and they can find other ways to mess with you during service. Warranty issues, well, could be a nightmare. Yes, technically, they have to fix any warranty related thing, but they certainly could make it a bad experience for you.
Go to them in another car. Ask to see the head guy and sit down and talk. Bring a friend if it makes you more comfortable (also a witness). Bring your contract and try to hash things out before you decide to threaten legal action. Don't say anything about lawyers. Just tell them you both signed the contract for THAT car with THOSE wheels. You paid extra for THAT car with THOSE wheels. It's a binding contract. Above all, be civil and be nice. This will be the dealer that will be servicing your car in the future, unless there is another retailer.
Anyway, if they feel that they won't budge, ask what compromise could you make. Most importantly, ask them why those wheels appear to me more important than your satisfaction and legal, binding, contract. If you can't work things out, and you've tried everything you can, bid them good day and inform them that your lawyer will be the next person they talk to.
That may change the tune, but ultimately, I would be very aware of that retailer whenever or if ever you bring the QC to be serviced.
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Old 05-21-2003, 11:57 AM   #7
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Just a few more things to add.

There is another saturn dealer only 10 mins away for service.

can they do something to cancell the financing? Its only been one day. What if the cancell it, or do something that will stop the process?

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:15 PM   #8
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If they pulled stuff like that they could get in real big trouble.

Document everything. Don't act fast and don't fold under pressure. You are in control as long as you have the car and that dealer may have to eat the loss.

You paid $3K more. The sunroof is $800 I believe. I don't know what else was different, but it was the dealer's responsibility to charge the right amount.

Best of luck and don't let them guilt or pressure you. This is business and at this point in time you are still holding all the cards.

Either keep the car as it is or negotiate lifetime service, warranties, and other stuff in writing.

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:18 PM   #9
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What Saturn delaership is it?

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:41 PM   #10
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negotiate with the dealer. It is not your fault. I assume that the chrome wheels ARE mentioned in the contract along with the other extras, aren't they? Also, if you're going to the dealer, go with another car and bring them a COPY of the contract, not the original as they may not return it to you. If all is mentioned in the contract, it is binding. If the situation was reversed, what do you think would happen? ... EXACTLY!! Be diplomatic as they might be the ones servicing your car. Let us know...

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:45 PM   #11
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if its Saturn Of Sam Swope, I can see how they would do that. But they will just have to "bite the bullet".

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:49 PM   #12
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negotiate with the dealer. It is not your fault. I assume that the chrome wheels ARE mentioned in the contract along with the other extras, aren't they? Also, if you're going to the dealer, go with another car and bring them a COPY of the contract, not the original as they may not return it to you. If all is mentioned in the contract, it is binding. If the situation was reversed, what do you think would happen? ... EXACTLY!! Be diplomatic as they might be the ones servicing your car. Let us know...

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Old 05-21-2003, 12:58 PM   #13
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That is the cost of doing business. They sold it to you that way and it is yours. Swope has a lot more money than you do, enjoy the rims and the QC.

Swope in Wooeyville is a great dealership, I'm sure that they recognize that they screwed up and are out the wheels.

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The next morning they called me telling me they made a mistake and want the wheels back, They cost an additional $2,200 by them selfs.
You are aware that $2200 equates to $400 for EACH wheel and $150 for EACH tire!!!! Now that is in addition to the wheels and tires you exchanged, so to put it mildly......someone is NUTS!!

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Old 05-21-2003, 02:23 PM   #15
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Remember to document everything. As others have said leave the car in your garage and take something else to the dealership. Full names of everyone you speak to and bring only copies of paperwork leaving the originals at home. You have the upper hand. You have the car. You have a signed contract. They let you drive off the lot. Do not let them intimidate you into making any statements. DO NOT SIGN ANYTHING without taking it home to review. I wouldn't mention lawyers. You are under no obligation to explain anything to them. Make THEM explain in excruciating detail why a binding legal contract should now be disregarded.

All this sounds paranoid but it really is the best way to do business. Trust but verify.

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Old 05-21-2003, 02:58 PM   #16
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Keep that car if you have a contract they maybe trying to scam you especially if you already paid for them not saying that a Saturn Dealer is like that but i have heard stories and been through something of the sort but i gave the car up and i regret that i did but cest la vie still ended up w/ exactly what i wanted

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I'm going to have to agree with everyone else. You bought the car legally and you had nothing to do with putting the rims on there. They were at fault and legally they cant make you return your car because they made a mistake.

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Old 05-21-2003, 04:05 PM   #18
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They f'ed up. Their loss. As long as all of your paperwork reflects the additional equipment (wheels, sunroof), then you don't have to return the wheels. They made a clerical error and are hoping that you will fold.

Since you have signed all of the paperwork, it would be illegal for them to fudge the numbers to the financing bank and try to screw you. Can you say Securities and Exchange Commission?

Just go over all of the paperwork that you got with your car. If there is a Transfer of Power of Attorney form that you signed, then they may be able to screw with you. Otherwise, someone screwed up on the math and it is the retailer's loss.

Either way, let the situation cool down a little. They will be hot and bothered for the next 10 days because the most precious time of the month for car salesman is the last 10 days. Half of their cars are sold in the last 10 days. Wait until June to act upon anything. That'll make them sweat and allow you to make sure all of your "t's" are crossed and "i's" are dotted.

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You are aware that $2200 equates to $400 for EACH wheel and $150 for EACH tire!!!! Now that is in addition to the wheels and tires you exchanged, so to put it mildly......someone is NUTS!!
I agree. Something just ain't right. Did they say why they want the wheels back? You bought and paid for them, albeit you paid way too much, but you did pay for them.

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Old 05-21-2003, 11:02 PM   #20
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Any aftermarket modifications made to the car should have included a buyers' order (aka window sticker). It should have been included in your paperwork.

Like BruceOz said, that is a LOT of money for wheels. If you consider it further, for $5200 more than your initial cost, you could buy a supercharger.
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