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Old 02-22-2014, 06:07 PM   #1
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Default timing belt help needed URGENT!

I've replaced my timing belt once before and started this evening again because my water pump went.
After I was putting the new timing belt on I noticed that the rear cam timing mark was advanced about an 1/8th of a turn.

Admittidetly I just looked at the front cam timing mark after I put the crank mark at 12 o'clock And didnt notice the rear.

I tried rolling the cam back by hand but for one its hard to move and when I DO get it to move the cam jumps backward so the timing mark is then an 1/8th retarded. I can not get it to rest with the the mark on cam aligned on the head... How effed am I?

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Old 02-22-2014, 08:34 PM   #2
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Default Re: timing belt help needed URGENT!

The rear cam loves to roll. Move it to line up as close as you can so that it stays in place. There is a sweet spot that it will stay on place at.

With the cam on the proper spot (or nearly so) you can install the belt giving the cam a tweak as needed. If the cam continues to roll then hold it with a wrench as you get the belt on.

With everything in place and the tensioner out rotate the crank twice and verify that the timing marks are all where they should be.

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Old 02-22-2014, 11:48 PM   #3
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Default Re: timing belt help needed URGENT!

I just replaced my belt last month for the first time. When it came time to put the new belt on, the rear cam pulley moved on me as well. The rear pulley suddenly rolled clockwise about 45 degrees when I touched it. I had to use a wrench on the pulley bolt to get it back in place while I put the new belt on. It seems that some springs are totally compressed when the pulley is at TDC. Fortunately I marked all of the pulleys and old belt with positioning marks then transferred the marks onto the new belt. I would have been screwed without the marks.

My advise is to use a closed end wrench on the cam pulley bolt to hold the cam in place while you put the belt on. Make sure the cam is back at the original TDC position when you took the old belt off. Don't fully rotate the cam around again to line up the timing marks. Only rotate the cam enough to get it back to TDC. Put the belt on the crank and front cam pulleys first, then the rear cam.

Hope this helps. Good luck.

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Old 02-23-2014, 08:59 AM   #4
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How come you guys aren't installing some Cam locks?

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Old 02-23-2014, 09:31 AM   #5
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Default Re: timing belt help needed URGENT!

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Because the 3.5LT Honda engine doe not have double sprockets on each head like the 3.0LT in your linked picture. Single sprocket per cylinder head so there is nothing to lock anything to.

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How come you guys aren't installing some Cam locks?

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Old 02-23-2014, 10:06 AM   #7
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Because the 3.5LT Honda engine doe not have double sprockets on each head like the 3.0LT in your linked picture. Single sprocket per cylinder head so there is nothing to lock anything to.
Good reason! My mistake.

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Old 02-24-2014, 08:48 AM   #8
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Default Re: timing belt help needed URGENT!

Thanks everyone...

When you're working outside in the cold and stuff like this happens sometimes you don't realize the most obvious answer.

I don't know why i didn't think about turning it with a wrench until i came inside and warmed up while typing my post.

I don't know if anyone else has ordered the Gates timing kit from rockauto recently but the belt that comes with it is VERY tight. I bought this same kit a couple years ago when I did this once before and although the belt was snug going on I still got everything together without issue.

This time however i needed a second set of hands to work the belt around while I held the cam and made sure there was no slack anywhere, and even after all that getting the belt on the crank at the end was very hard.

Anyways, its done and running now.

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Old 02-26-2014, 01:58 PM   #9
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A day after everything was buttoned up I ran into a problem, the car threw a P0341 code (Cam position sensor) had a moderately rough idle and could be a b*tch to start. No matter how hard i searched i couldn't find anyone that ran into the same problem with the 3.5L J35 in a Vue or a honda.

My gut told me what the problem was but i would have much rather found some info on the net before ripping everything apart.

Long story short, the front cam jumped and was retarded by one tooth. The replacement belt was so tight to get on but there must have been some slack somewhere...The FSM troubleshooting flow chart mentioned nothing about timing.

So if you get a P0341 code, use the inspection covers to check your cam timing marks.

So far it seems no damage was done.

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Is there a way for someone who does it to mark the location with a scratch or a Sharpie to help realign it?

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Here's a video (about the 10:30 mark) . . .
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Here's a video (about the 10:30 mark) . . .
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I guess i'm not half as think as people dumb i am.

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