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Old 02-08-2014, 11:09 PM   #21
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Thank you I really appreciate it, I will PM you if I need it.

Will have to get back to this tomorrow afternoon.

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Old 02-12-2014, 10:23 PM   #22
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Default Re: 1998 SL2 Manual Stuck in Neutral

If you disconnected both shifter cables form the mounts you may have them hooked up in the wrong place now. Its possible to do and you wont get in any gear. I learned the hard way.

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Old 02-13-2014, 10:30 AM   #23
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Quick Question

Is there anything besides the four corner bolts holding the housing in place?

I disconnected the reverse light switch from the housing and unscrewed the four corner bolts.

However the bloody housing is really stuck fast and I wanted to check before applying more muscle to it. The battery tray had a hidden bolt so I am playing it a little cautious.

I replaced my housing back in November and had the same issue. After removing the 4 bolts mine wouldn't budge. I noticed some kind of rubbery substance around the housing where it meets the transmission. A little heat at one corner of the housing and I was able to start prying the little ******* off. I do not think it was a type of gasket maker because the paper gasket was still in place. Quite the surprise, since the part came off easily from the donor car.

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Old 02-19-2014, 07:25 PM   #24
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So I finally pried off the housing

Just having trouble determining if it is faulty.
It looks the same as the one pictured here, no obvious problems.
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and here are the pics I was comparing to mine.

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Below are photos of mine. Any advice on how to test if the part is fubar?

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Old 02-19-2014, 08:54 PM   #25
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Take a shot of the top of your trans showing the selectors. We will go from there. The only way to tell if the control is shot is to play with it as they always look just fine.

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Old 02-20-2014, 03:08 AM   #26
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This may or may not be relevant to this discussion, but having had my transaxle apart recently, I thought I'd mention it just in case you're not aware of how this is supposed to function.

You can see the three forks when looking into the transmission in this photo:

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Each fork controls pairs of gears: 1st/2nd, 3rd/4th and 5th/Reverse. The forks are all in the neutral position in the above photo as can be seen by the fact that the slots all line up.

The two levers on the top of that housing operate such that one of them (the one that pivots on a vertical axis) moves the shifter to the appropriate fork and the other lever (the one that pivots on a horizontal axis) shifts the fork between its three positions: the "up" gear, neutral or the "down" gear. The lever that moves the shifter to the appropriate fork is spring loaded so that it always returns to the middle (the 3rd/4th fork).

With the cover off, you should be able to take a BF screwdriver and a small hammer and tap one of the forks into a gear. You could work your way through all the gears to determine if there is any problem with the transmission itself.

If all the cables were attached correctly, and the transmission itself is OK, then perhaps the mechanism that moves the individual fork (that's actuated by the lever that pivots on the horizontal axis) is messed up.

Make sure that if you manually shift any of the forks that you return them all to the neutral position as seen in the above photo when you're done.

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Old 02-20-2014, 03:10 AM   #27
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OK here are some pictures of the transmission with the housing removed.
Looks like it is in neutral but I also see an ominous crack on one of the selector forks.
Fully confess ignorance here, transmissions are waaaaay beyond anything I've done.

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As for the housing itself both levers will move however the bottom one does not move very smoothly it really seems to stick before clicking into some of the positions. In contrast the upper lever moves quite smoothly. I am assuming the bottom lever should have similarly smooth action before and after snapping into position.

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Old 02-20-2014, 03:18 AM   #28
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OK here are some pictures of the transmission with the housing removed.
Looks like it is in neutral but I also see an ominous crack on one of the selector forks.
Fully confess ignorance here, transmissions are waaaaay beyond anything I've done.

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As for the housing itself both levers will move however the bottom one does not move very smoothly it really seems to stick before clicking into some of the positions. In contrast the upper lever moves quite smoothly. I am assuming the bottom lever should have similarly smooth action before and after snapping into position.
Can you move any of those shifter forks manually?

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Old 02-20-2014, 03:35 AM   #29
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With the cover off, you should be able to take a BF screwdriver and a small hammer and tap one of the forks into a gear. You could work your way through all the gears to determine if there is any problem with the transmission itself.
Thank you so much this is very helpful. I was just going to ask if I could manually move the forks with a screwdriver. One has a crack which is not a good sign.

QUOTE=cityhawk;2045248] The two levers on the top of that housing operate such that one of them (the one that pivots on a vertical axis) moves the shifter to the appropriate fork and the other lever (the one that pivots on a horizontal axis) shifts the fork between its three positions: the "up" gear, neutral or the "down" gear. The lever that moves the shifter to the appropriate fork is spring loaded so that it always returns to the middle (the 3rd/4th fork).[/QUOTE]

Have to play with the housing again too, this gives me a much clearer picture of the action.

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Glad to help. You're burning the midnight oil, eh? I work a lot of nights so many of my postings are on the "other" side of the clock.

That 3rd/4th fork is weird. Not sure if that's a crack or just a defect in the metal.

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Can you move any of those shifter forks manually?
Haven't tried that yet, will give it a shot tomorrow, fingers crossed lol.

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Glad to help. You're burning the midnight oil, eh? I work a lot of nights so many of my postings are on the "other" side of the clock.
Me too! *Checks clock to see 2:26 AM*

Sounds like your shifter control tower housing is mostly good, but make sure to check it thoroughly too.

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ALso, this may be obvious, but make sure you return each fork to the neutral position before shifting another fork into gear. Having two forks in gear at the same time locks the transaxle.

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ALso, this may be obvious, but make sure you return each fork to the neutral position before shifting another fork into gear. Having two forks in gear at the same time locks the transaxle.
^^^^Yeah, I did that and really scared myself.


One of my forks has a ridge from the manufacturing process that is completely harmless. Is that a crack for sure? Or could it be a slight ridge tricking the eye?

I'm not saying you have bad vision, or are easily fooled. It's just that I thought mine was cracked at first, until I looked closer.

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Has anything besides the shifter mechanism been checked?

Clutch hydraulic test here courtesy of Wolfman

Broken half shaft - in gear speedo moves but car doesn't


If both of the above check out, manual selection at the tranny end and reverse troubleshooting is the easiest approach IMO.

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The below is from Post #1, all the way up at the top of page #1.
I have been through the forums on this and I am still at a loss.

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1. Will not shift out of neutral
2. Initially had a limp shifter and a broken bushing. (I dare you to say that without a smirk lol)
3. Replaced bushing, shifter no longer limp but car still stuck in neutral
4. Checked shifter cables, they were connected no fraying
5. Bottom cable moves lever on transmission control lever tower OK
6. Top lever on transmission control lever tower seemed jammed so I disconnected the cable and the cable moves freely when disconnected but the lever only moves a little bit.

I am wondering if this is likely the transmission control lever tower on the transmission or if it could be something else like the clutch. How can I test this?
Item #6 in the quoted info from post #1 indicates that chasing ghosts in the hydraulics and/or axles is not going to fix it.

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Is it fairly easy to disassemble the shift cover to see why that one lever doesn't move as smoothly as the other?

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The below is from Post #1, all the way up at the top of page #1.
I have been through the forums on this and I am still at a loss.



Item #6 in the quoted info from post #1 indicates that chasing ghosts in the hydraulics and/or axles is not going to fix it.

None of which answers either question posed to the OP, or addresses my advice on troubleshooting from the tranny end. If the tranny is hosed, the best shift tower and cables in the world aren't going to make it want to shift.

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The control tower will not select any gear. The clutch hydraulics or axle will not cause this problem.

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The control tower will not select any gear. The clutch hydraulics or axle will not cause this problem.
No kidding huh? Should I bold that I didn't ask you for your opinion, or will you comprehend that all on your own?

The OP asked, I suggested. It's a simple thing.

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