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Old 02-08-2001, 01:04 PM   #1
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I don't know about this Vue you guys, it looks kinda ugly. If my car decision comes down to an SUV, I'll probably go for something like the Jeep or Ford. They have been around a lot longer, offer more colors and styles, and are much better looking! Am I the only person here who thinks so? Nobody ever answered the question about what Vue stands for, either, and why Saturn chose to leave the usage of their normal monikers for their cars. What are the honest opinions here? No sugarcoating just because of brand loyalty, tell me what you honestly think! As incentive I've added a little story that I found in my inbox this morning.
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A motorcyclist was riding behind an 18-wheeler which was carrying a load of thin steel plates. He decided to overtake the truck, but as he moved out towards the center of the road, one of the steel sheets became dislodged and decapitated him. However, his momentum carried him alongside the lorry, the truck driver glanced from his window, saw the headless motorcyclist passing, had a heart attack, ran off the road and was killed.

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Old 02-08-2001, 03:45 PM   #2
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You want honest.... I'll give ya honest

Jeep? Hah!!! What a joke! Anything from Chrysler is a pile of **** that will fall apart in a few years. The Ford Escape / Mazda Tribute is a good, safe bet.

As for VUE, it is not an acronym -- it does not stand for anything. Just a name. Not a good name, but a name. As for Saturn abandoning the alphanumeric designations, wait for it. There are plans afoot to rename the S-Series when it is redesinged for '03 on the Delta platform. Personally, I welcome names -- our "designations" only confuse people.

So there.

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Old 02-08-2001, 05:28 PM   #3
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I don't like the two vue models they have out. Outback and Urban aren't they? I think the blue one is absolutely hideous. And the Urban one--probably looks good. But come on! DVD players? Can you say 'Unneccesary'? What is the point to that senseless crap. If I was going on a trip in it, my passenger(s) could buy a portable DVD player and bring that. As for monitors built into MY car? Sorry about this one Saturn, but TAKE A HIKE! I can only hope that the DVD thing is optional. Because I don't want it. It just adds unneeded expense. I like the bright red VUE on the beach pictured here on Charlie's website. It looks good. It looks agressive, but refined in its own little way. If you can only buy a choice of the Urban or the Outback, however, no thanks. I'll take an L-300 please! I've never been into SUVs, but I did like the way the previews of the VUE looked. Like I said, if you can only get urban or outback forget it for my part anyway. I won't be buying one of those! I'd rather stick with my trusty '93 SL2 which I'll be doing for a few years anyway/

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Old 02-08-2001, 05:29 PM   #4
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As for colors, I did not know that Saturn had released the color options for the VUE. Please inform us what the color choices are!

Styling is a personal preference, and that is one reason why I believe a particular vehicle model is not for everybody.

As for quality, I would stay away from the Jeep. The new Ford/Mazda SUVs will probably be good in the quality department. I feel that the VUE will also have good quality and reliability.

If you are to discount brand loyalty, I would also say that buying a Ford or Jeep "because they have been around longer" would also be an invalid statement. You are saying that you would buy because the BRAND has been around longer. The Ford Escape is a brand new vehicle.

I would evaluate the choice based on features, price, and styling. I don't think quality will be an issue with the VUE.

Remember, the VUE is a "new perspective (view) on SUVs." I feel that it will more closely match what consumers actually need in an SUV.

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Old 02-08-2001, 05:38 PM   #5
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If you can only buy a choice of the Urban or the Outback, however, no thanks.<hr></blockquote>

Whoa, where did you get that from? Those are specialty concept models! ONLY buy the Urban or Outback!? Ha!

As for the DVD and such, yes SOME people want them. Some people want the monitors in their cars. If you think that the VUE will be available only as a fully loaded vehicle, then you are mistaken. As with other Saturns, it will be available in base models on up to loaded. I doubt Saturn will even offer the DVD as an option.

The idea of a CONCEPT vehicle is to explore what CAN be done. Not what WILL be done. Saturn says, hey, we can make the VUE in lots of different flavors, with lots of different options.

Some people think that a sunroof is unneccesary "senseless crap." Others who don't will buy it as an OPTION. It's called satisfying customer's needs. Not everyone's needs are the same.

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Old 02-08-2001, 05:52 PM   #6
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DVD's are part of a home entertainment system and should stay there IMO. Fine, so they go into the headrest and don't interfere with the driver, but nothing stops other drivers from watching. One moron decided to stay along side a Mercedes to watch their TVs. I could tell from the way he was swerving. As a safety conscious car maker, Saturn, please move these screens so they're not visible by other drivers if you offer this outside concept-land.

As for the Escape, I thought it was ok from the outside, but the felt flimsy. The one I sat in had loose panels and the door handle came off when I got out. I just couldn't get used to the Jeeps. The controls were weird for me.

The VUE isn't going to win beauty pageants, but its ok in my book. Natalie, if you haven't seen it yet (in person), I'm happy to tell you that the pictures aren't doing it full justice. Go to the auto show if you can and see it for yourself. However, the rear end does look like it got chopped. A rounder side profile like the SW2 would have brought more symmetry to the design.
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Old 02-08-2001, 06:26 PM   #7
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You still haven't decided on what to get yet Nat? Are you jumping into the SUV now? I have seen the new Jeep Liberty, and from the exterior, it looks smaller than the Cherokee it's going to replace. Other than the horible first year quality still going on, the Escape/Tribute looks pretty nice, in relative to the CRV and RAV4. Seniority doesn't mean much in the automotive world if your product can't compete too well. Take a look at the Cavalier (no offense to Cavalier fans).

As for the VUE, I'm still kind of iffy on it too. Other than it's front end, I don't think it's a bad looking vehicle. Those headlights looks narrow and wierd and set a bit too high. At a side profile, that side hood line just doesn't look right with the front windshield line sloping further down. From the rear, I think it looks pretty good if it had painted trim like the urban concept VUE. Actually, I think it needs to have the whole bottom trim painted to give it a more upscale look. Black bumpers just says cheap to me, but that's just me.

I would have to disagree to the statement that quality won't be an issue with the VUE. As exampled with the L series, it's just too hard for me to say quality won't be an issue with a first year brand new model. Just came to mind, do you think VUE stands for Versitility Utility Economical? Just a thought... Anyways, I think the VUE will make a better splash than the L series did in a market segment that is growing.

Here's my list of yays and nays on the VUE.
<b>yays!</b>
-SUNROOF!!!
-v6 option
-hideaway storage bins
-more potent i4 than the Honda/Toyota so-called SUVs
-larger than the Honda/Toyta so-called SUVs
-Saturn service
-console shifter
-no slider for climate control

<b>nays!</b>
-still no 4 spoke steering wheel
-power window switches still in the middle spread out wide
-something about the center console looks either bare or weird because it's broken up and doesn't swope back like most SUVs with a center shifter
-unpainted bottom trim, makes it look less expensive

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Old 02-08-2001, 07:11 PM   #8
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Natalie- How can I tell you what I honestly think about the VUE when I haven't even seen one much less driven one. There are also some numbers I'd like to see such as exact price and mpg figures before I make up my mind. I could care less about the name and I'm sure that it will come in enough colors that at least one would suit me just fine. Ugly? Who cares if it does its job on and off the road. Most SUV's are ugly to begin with if you like sleek lines on vehicles. Heck if I really had my choice and a lot of spare cash I'd pick one of the ugliest; a Hummer. The real truth is that for most purposes I don't need a Hummer, a Vue or any other SUV. Any of them would only serve me as an expensive toy.
Finally do you really believe that motorcycle story? It kind of reminded me of what happened to the legendary female crew chief who backed up into a prop of an aircraft warming up for takeoff. Disaster <img src="http://64.77.2.166/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/Images/Wilk.gif" border="0" align="middle">

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Old 02-08-2001, 07:16 PM   #9
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Ok, Natalie, you want some honest opinions? I'll give ya some...

I still think the Saturn VUE looks like a Pug dog! The front end is very pug like.

Seeing it in person didn't help either. I saw it at the North American International Autoshow, here in Detroit a few weeks back, I posted some pictures of it on here and I have them on my website...Click on Home Page, it'll take you there. I haven't seen the interior in person, but from the pictures that are online (not the recent concept ones) it hasn't really impressed me. What bugged me too is at the show you couldn't get in one, but you could get in a $60,000 Saleen Mustang?!? Ooooooook, that makes no sense.
And it *looked* cheap. Not the good cheap either...like K-Mart tupperware cheap.

The Burnt Orange colored looked great in person! They should really think about putting that on the SC's. The lime green, blah, didn't like it. I dunno if anyone knows what colors are going to be on the actual production VUE's.

I think it's great that Saturn even has an SUV coming out. Although I think they should've had it this time last year. But I would be wary of getting one, because it's a brand new vehicle from a company that has never made an SUV or truck before.

I agree that the Ford and Jeep SUV's *look* nicer. Especially in recent years. 5 years ago I wouldn't even think about getting a SUV and now I am. Funny how you change your mind! I would feel better getting an SUV from a company that has made SUV's and trucks before. I don't wanna be a first time owner of a first year vehicle of a first of it's kind. Did that even make sense?

The Ford Escape/Mazda Tribute are great. I've test driven both of them. It's to bad that they've been plagued with all these darn recalls. Ford Motor Company wanted to get them on the road too soon, basically they're having the owners test the SUV's! 2002 model shouldn't have these problems.

Jeep Liberty looks promising, but I really don't know much about Chrysler, so I really can't say much.

I say wait a little bit. Give the VUE a chance... IT'S NOT EVEN ON THE ROAD YET! Even though I have dogged on it, I am still willing to give Saturn a chance and see what happens in the next few years.

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Old 02-08-2001, 09:49 PM   #10
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IF people judge the VUE by it's looks and most definite Saturn style advertising then it will unfortunatly be a horrible seller. When Saturn first came out in 91, they were strikingly different in a style that people liked. Ever since then, all Saturn's have had a similar design theme especially the retangle headlights on almost all models.

The VUE, I think may look better in darker more Rugged SUV type colors, and I don't see why they are seeming to market it like a 91 SL as well as give it colors that we would have saw on a first generation S Series. It is said that Saturn intends to market the VUE as having many personalitys from going to the grocery store, mall type of advertising. I think that's wrong.

Take a look at the Toyota RAV 4, thats a kewl looking little SUV and it's advertising show's it in the "capable of saving your life" SUV fashion that financially unsmart consumers like nowadays.

The VUE from the rear looks ok, like many other SUV's, but the front is traditional of everything Saturn has ever made. I think that needs to change. The S Series front is ok, and the L Series is livable, but an SUV is supposed to have a different personality from passenger cars and Im not sure if the VUE does?

Price would be my deciding factor now, if a two wheel drive model starts at 15-16k with air, I would consider one in a dark color, no bluebird egg blue (talk about a color that should come with it's own barf bag) I really hope that Saturn has some secret plans to spark sales of the VUE besides relying on previous Saturn owners to snap it up just because it's an SUV with a Saturn name badge. IMHO

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Old 02-09-2001, 01:27 AM   #11
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It is said that Saturn intends to market the VUE as having many personalitys from going to the grocery store, mall type of advertising. I think that's wrong.<hr></blockquote>

A lot of people want SUVs. A lot of people know they are trucks (and then again a lot don't know that). If the people that want an SUV see an ad for one, and the ad actually markets the vehicle to THEIR needs (and not some outlandish rock climing expedition), I think it will work.

Basically, the VUE is a cool looking, versatle, feature-rich minivan disguised as an SUV!

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Old 02-09-2001, 06:54 AM   #12
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It's an SUV with soccer moms in mind. Hence, the name and pretty colors. I agree that dark colors would be nice, but I'm guessing Saturn is targeting it's niche customer base.

Hmmm...Regarding the motorcyclist story, if the truck driver was alone and died in the accident, how do they know what he saw and whether that caused the fatal heart attack?

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Old 02-09-2001, 09:10 AM   #13
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In my view, the VUE seems to follow the latest trend in SUV styling - the cartoon car look. Look at the current crop of SUVs out there: The exagerated wheel arches on the Explorer Sport, oversize pothole illuminators - sorry, I should have said foglights - on many of them, spoilers that look entirely out of place, oversize grill guards, and thick layers of cheap looking plastic 'cladding'. Hey, at least the look is not boring, but is mildly entertaining. It is just that I would not buy one, as I do not like ugly cars.

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My feelings on the way the VUE looks seems to depend on the angle it's being (no pun intended) viewed. I'd definitely consider getting one after waiting a bit to see what type of first year production problem fallout occurs. I'm also in the minority because I've gotten use to the name and don't think it's so bad now. They better offer it in dark colors too or I'm gonna have to find some kind of "flaming skull w/burning embers for eyes" decal to give it a shot of testosterone. I don't think my NRA stickers will do the trick alone<img src="http://64.77.2.166/cgi-bin/UltraBoard/Images/Happy.gif" border="0" align="middle">

How has the overall response been at area car shows? I didn't make the one in my area this year although I thought Saturn's done a really good job at those shows in the past.

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Come on everybody, I didn't honestly believe that email when I got it! I just thought it was rather humorous and maybe everybody would like to share. It's better than getting a mailbox full of spam!

Anywho, it is not an easy task looking for a vehicle, as I am not an easy woman to please. I spend about 5 hours shopping for one shirt, and it's not style that just counts. The shirt has to fit me, the fabric has to feel good against the skin, and the price has to be right! I'm not paying $120 for a name. My last boyfriend didn't understand that. Well, that and the fact that I am trying to get on the fast track in my profession and I don't want to be pushed into anything like kids or a house. SORRY! I needed to vent for a moment.

A car is going to be a serious investment, it's going to be at least 5 years of my life dedicated to paying off bills and maintenance. It's also going the have to last. I know Saturn has a good service record, but I want to actually avoid having to meet all of those nice people in the service department. I barely have free time between work and business trips and visiting family and friends. I'm sure you've all been there before.

I got another email story today that I thought was just the funniest thing in the world, but I also think some of the racial references in the story can be misconstrued as prejudice on my part, and I'm sure some would find it inappropriate, so I will not be sharing my most recent spam this time. It was about the origin of 7-11 and Circle K. If you see it around the web I am sure you might get a kick out of it.

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Natalie- With your references to email jokes, hard to please women, shirts and business trips; I thought you might enjoy this email I got recently.
A plane is going through a terrible storm over the Atlantic and the pilot comes over the intercom and says its likely the plane is going down. With that, a gorgeous young woman in the back of the plane starts screaming and begging that someone make her like a "real woman" during her last minutes of life. An equally good looking male in the front of the plane hears the plea and begins to walk up the aisle to the back of the plane. As he slowly proceeds he begins to open his shirt one button at a time. When he nears the pleading woman's seat he rips off the shirt, gives it to her and tells her to iron it.
Isn't that disgusting? *LOL*

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Don't know about disgusting, but it managed to make me laugh : )

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