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Old 06-07-2013, 09:08 AM   #81
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No 95 but this is a 96 SL-2 diagram which should be very close. You can disable various accessories by pulling fuses and see if you can solve the problem. This problem could be nothing more than the actual ignition switch failing. Not the lock but the electrical switch on the back end of it.
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Old 06-07-2013, 12:06 PM   #82
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Ok Ill take a look. This car needs to run. As for electrical test equipment. I dont really have anything myself but my dad probably does. He is a electrical engeneer soooo yeah

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Old 06-07-2013, 02:17 PM   #83
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Heard tale of a cps making the far fail. Could that be? Or some sensor on the side of the motor?

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Old 06-07-2013, 02:48 PM   #84
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Your problem sounds to be electrical, not a sensor. No sensor will cause a dead battery.

First test is to disconnect the red wire that runs from the positive battery terminal to the fuse box and see if the battery will stay charged.

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Old 06-07-2013, 04:06 PM   #85
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it does. the battery I know is good. I used the battery out of my truck and it killed that battery only when it was running. When i swapped batteries the truck started (just barely) and ran for an hour and charged the battery. the trucks' battery let the car sit with the motor off and the headlights would flip up and everything worked. When I started the SC and it ran perfect for about 20 minutes on the trucks battery, after that the lights wouldn't even pop up. swapped batteries again after the truck was running with the SC's battery in it and when I did that the SC started again. The trucks battery is now back in the truck and the truck wont start. SC runs for about 20 minutes and does the same thing and dies again. now I have two dead batteries. got the truck jumped and its still running fine today. the SC is still dead and it seems like its just not charging. the batteries are fine. the truck has a 6 month old battery that will still start the truck after having the headlights and radio on for 2 hours with the motor off.

ok I hope that made sence O.o

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Old 06-07-2013, 04:47 PM   #86
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Sounds like it is related to the ignition switch. It is possible that it is the switch itself or some connected load.

There are the drawings for the ignition switch in my photo gallery and there are several fuses that will disconnect various parts of it. You can install a good battery and then check the voltage at the battery terminals. Pull all the IGN-x fuses and turn the key on. Wait 5 minutes and check battery terminal voltage. When you reconnect each of the switch sections when the defective circuit is reconnected the battery terminal voltage will begin to drop. You will need to have a good voltmeter to find this problem.

Once you locate which switch section feeds the failed circuitry then the individual branch fuses will allow isolating it to a single branch. If you have electric door locks that is also a real good bet for a problem. They can be shutdown and isolated by pulling the relays. Power windows as well.

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Old 06-15-2013, 08:24 PM   #87
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Ok so I did that and the ign 3 in the under hood fuse box makes the voltage drop when the motor is off. Also got my alternator tested. And it failed. Got one from pick n pull that passed just fine. Put that in and the car ran for about 10 minutes perfectly with no battery light then died. Now it wont wven attept to start with the key. Ouah starting it only makes it run for a few seconds. Im out of money and now im stuck 13 miles from home. Ill get a ride there I guess but I want my saturn fixed... why wont it charge?
This alternator passed the test and it still wont run. Also when it dies the "cool fan" relay buzzes and vibrates. Took it out car still wont run

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Old 06-15-2013, 09:02 PM   #88
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The problem is in the IGN-3 circuit. There are several possible areas where the problem could be but the most likely is the actual ignition switch. Reach up behind the lock cylinder and disconnect the 8 pin connector from the rear of the actual ignition switch and see if the battery continue to go dead when sitting with this disconnected.

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Old 06-15-2013, 10:29 PM   #89
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All the dash lights flicker and the gages go dead right before it dies as well. what would I do if its the Ignition switch just replace it? And what would I do about keys?

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Old 06-15-2013, 11:34 PM   #90
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The lock and actual switch are separate parts. The switch is screwed to the end of the lock with 2 screws. It is not what happens when it dies but that there is an IGN-3 load on the system when there should be none. It is supposed to be totally disconnected by the ignition switch. Pictures of a 98 and yours should be very similar. http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...9&postcount=50

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Old 06-16-2013, 01:12 AM   #91
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Alright ill take it off and take a look. I hope that's it. Also could it be a solenoid? And if so is it that round thing immediately to the right of the valve cover?

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Old 06-16-2013, 06:03 AM   #92
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If you mean to the driver's side end of the cover, that is the EGR. Everything in the car is turned off by the ignition switch. You probably will not see much by looking, just replace it. The switch is the same, 95-02 any model. It is not a cheap part new so it looks like a JY trip.

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:20 PM   #93
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Ok so is the egr supposed to get really hot after like 10 minutes?

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:43 PM   #94
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With the engine running or off? No it should not be getting hot either way.

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:45 PM   #95
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Great... ok its like cant touch it hot and the starter wont work untill it cools

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:49 PM   #96
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The 12v power is from the EGR fuse in the engine compartment fuse box. 10A marked EGR. The feed for that fuse is the ignition switch and where it is powered from there I don't know, no 95 drawing.

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In the 96 and newer gen-2 the EGR is fed from IGN-4 switched by the ignition switch.

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Old 06-16-2013, 12:58 PM   #98
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All Fuses are good in the car. None blown. The egr has a pick n pull part number on it. So its been replaced before. Also like I said the cool fan relay buzzes when it dies and idk about the ignition. Could the egr dieing cause all this? I only have enough money for either the egr or the ignition. Im leaning on replacing the egr

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Ok so underhood when I pull the fuse and test where the fuse goes key ok ign 3 has 2.45 v runing through it and ign 4 has 11.45 battery is at 12.03

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Also key on all fuses in im at 7.42v at the battery terminals.

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