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Old 12-06-2012, 11:37 PM   #1
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Default OBD2 diagnostic codes....?

I got a stripped down 99 saturn sl2 sold to me with no catalytic converter and a bunch of other parts missing/broken.. Anyway I have gotten just about everything fixed, but I cant for the life of me figure out how to get this check engine light to turn off!
here is what i get from my scanner...

Fault log report generated by Torque for Android
================================================= Vehicle VIN:
Not present Vehicle Manufacturer: Unknown Vehicle Calibration
ID: Not present Current Fault Log ------------------ ECU
reports no current faults Pending Fault Log ------------------
ECU reports no pending faults Historic Fault Log
------------------ ECU reports no historic faults Other
discovered fault codes (possibly pending, current or
manufacturer specific)
---------------------------------------------------- P1651:
[Chrysler] Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit [Ford] Power Steering
Pressure Switch Input fault [Mazda] Power Steering Pressure
Switch Circuit [Dodge] Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit [Jeep] Fan 1
Relay Control Circuit [Seat/Audi/Volkswagen] Data Bus
Powertrain missing messages [Volvo] Control module, internal
fault. Faulty signal. P1650: [Chrysler] Control Module Output B
Circuit [Ford] Power Steering Pressure Switch out of Self-Test
Range [Mazda] Power Steering Pressure Switch Out of Range Fault
[Dodge] Control Module Output B Circuit [Jeep] Control Module
Output B Circuit [Seat/Audi/Volkswagen] Data Bus Powertrain
Missing message fr.instrument panel ECU [Volvo] Camshaft reset
valve. Signal too high. C1000: Unknown code - More information
may be available on the web B2TAE: Unknown code - More
information may be available on the web End of report.


I have checked all dash lights, all seem to be working fine. (including both check engine lights) replaced cooling fan relay, unplugged wire harness going to a/c compressor, checked all fuses and such. any other ideas?

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Old 12-06-2012, 11:57 PM   #2
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Default Re: OBD2 diagnostic codes....?

Your variable power steering is not plugged in. Back of the power steering pump at the pressure line area. The connector used to be/should be red, 13 years out of the factory dirt covered red.

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Old 12-07-2012, 11:25 AM   #3
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I'm a bit new to fixing cars. where about would that be? i took a picture to give u an idea of where im looking (hopefully around the right area.. lol)

i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/c4pta1ntr1ps/IMAG0053.jpg (im looking around the power steering reservoir. is it underneath it or should it be in plain view?)

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Old 12-07-2012, 11:34 AM   #4
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Default Re: OBD2 diagnostic codes....?

I can't see the pic because photobucket is blocked where I am, but if you go through the richpin06a videos you should see one for the PS pump.

edit - from what you describe you are in the right general vicinity
the PS pump is below the reservoir

Searched, couldn't find a good picture

I thhink the hose that ssicarman refers to is #8 or 9 in this illustration.
http://parts.nalleygmc.com/showAssem...modelYear=1999

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Old 12-07-2012, 12:06 PM   #5
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How about a nice richpin06a video of where the connector is skillfully hidden?

These are all located by entering richpin06a saturn into the YouTube search box. You modify the search by adding what you are looking for, in this case EVO will do it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVNkBejm_Go

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Old 12-07-2012, 12:22 PM   #6
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If that's how Torque outputs it's data, how does anyone figure out WTF is going on and decide it's worth whatever it costs? On top of the crap output it seems to be saying the codes are for nearly every make EXCEPT GM/Saturn

My Actron 9180 has pending and active codes in different sections and clearly gives the code number as well as the generic description.

The PS Pump is below the reservoir, attached to the shaft that the pulley is on. The connector you seem to need is under the pump and rather hard to see and get to even when you know exactly where it is. I don't see why it not being connected would cause a code to set anyway, never bothered anyone on Sixthsphere from what I've seen.

Heck, 6s seems to have a better answer in post #5 here (to the only code I can decipher from the log, P1650): http://www.sixthsphere.com/forum/sho...ice-light-turn (PCM not seeing the transmission, when it's an autotragic)

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Old 12-07-2012, 01:34 PM   #7
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So I pretty much got a pcm for an auto trans and its a 5 speed.....great. how do i fix this? How do I tell which pcm I have in the first place? lol

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Old 12-07-2012, 01:54 PM   #8
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I also found this while searching for the 1650/1651 codes
saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171005
Seems it could be a burned out bulb?

edit: I may have found a burned out bulb or two. are the trunk light and the one to the side of it supposed to come on when i turn the key but dont start it?
if so I have found my problem I know the trunk light isnt working... would that cause those codes?

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trunk ajar may not set the code but the upshift light does.

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Old 12-08-2012, 02:02 PM   #10
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The upshift light is working.. Any others that would cause the code?

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DTC P1651 Fan 1 Relay Control Circuit

From our How-to library..........................http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44822, page 5.

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I have already replaced that relay... Next? Lol

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So I pretty much got a pcm for an auto trans and its a 5 speed.....great. how do i fix this? How do I tell which pcm I have in the first place? lol
If you have an upshift light that is nagging you to upshift for fuel economy, you have a manual PCM.

The auto PCM does not send a signal to the upshift light (would be kinda pointless ) and would set a bunch of transmission codes.

Might be something else on that fan relay circuit? Don't have schematics handy, so no help here - sorry

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Are there any mods done to this car that are overlooked? Some members are afraid of the temperature needle going way over into the red before hearing the cooling fan turn on and wired in a switch to manually turn on their fan. There are only two basic ways to wire a manual fan switch. Other mods like remote starting, aftermarket alarm, etc., may be causing this error code. Separating mods can be as simple as searching for loose wiring that stands out from factory wiring harnesses and bundles taped to ensure chafing doesn't rub insulation against sharp metal edges. Aftermarket wiring usually hangs out and never tied neatly with many tell tale splices, wire taps, and electrical tape that unravels in a year or so.

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