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Old 08-22-2012, 08:55 PM   #1
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Default Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

My independent mechanic said pay $650.00 soon, or pay a lot more later! That got my attention! I'm about 8k over 200k, and was wondering, how long before it breaks? My brothers' Honda suffered bent valves and god only knows what when he didn't change the one in his car. I don't want that experience, but I'm between paychecks/photo assignments.(that also includes a water pump, coolant flush, pulley kit etc.,)

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Old 08-22-2012, 09:21 PM   #2
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

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My independent mechanic said pay $650.00 soon, or pay a lot more later! That got my attention! I'm about 8k over 200k, and was wondering, how long before it breaks? My brothers' Honda suffered bent valves and god only knows what when he didn't change the one in his car. I don't want that experience, but I'm between paychecks/photo assignments.(that also includes a water pump, coolant flush, pulley kit etc.,)
I just had two Vue's 3.5 done - one with 98,000 and the other at 102,000. The mechanic kept the old stuff for me to look at and it looked new. His comment was they all look new until they break.

You can't tell how long a belt will last - they'll supposedly expire sooner if you tow a lot, do a lot of stop and go, too hot (95+), too cold (-20), etc.

The book says 100,000 unless you do the things previously mentioned. My last job was designing stuff for aircraft and our goal was to make everything last twice as long as we said it would.

I imagine vehicle OEM's think along the same lines - until the bean-counters start cutting corners on parts.

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Old 08-22-2012, 11:00 PM   #3
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

To paraphrase a funny comedian...

The belt will last all the way to the site of the break down. Which is good, you'll probably beat the tow truck there by an hour.

All jokes aside, it's not the sort of thing you want to tempt fate with. The other downside is being at the 2nd one, you don't know what was used or when the first time. It's possible that it was done early (mine was done at like 95k for example), and done with possibly a belt not up to OEM standards. Unfortunately, they don't give any sort of warning before they break either, they just sort of break, and if they do you've trashed your engine.

That said, $650 is CHEAP for that job. Like, hugely cheap. Most people were quote in the 2.5-3x that cost range for the same job. I'd just go ahead and do it ASAP, while driving as little as possible.

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Old 08-23-2012, 07:59 AM   #4
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

Judging by the mileage, you'd think it was changed once before- but was it?

When I had my Mazda Protege and frequented those boards, belts would last over twice the recommended interval. But when those belts broke, it just left you stranded- no damage to the motor. I doubt the 3.5L is the same way.

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Old 08-23-2012, 11:08 AM   #5
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Judging by the mileage, you'd think it was changed once before- but was it?

When I had my Mazda Protege and frequented those boards, belts would last over twice the recommended interval. But when those belts broke, it just left you stranded- no damage to the motor. I doubt the 3.5L is the same way.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:27 PM   #6
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

My last belt was changed at the Saturn dealership, at 101,000 miles. The advice that I'm receiving on this timing belt is being taken to heart! I've scheduled it for Saturday Morning as the mechanic said he'd need the vehicle most of the day. Thanks Guys!

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Old 08-24-2012, 09:29 AM   #7
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

I'd say it largely depends on the conditions mentioned by far2grumpy.

Someone was asking for buying advice awhile back, on one with around 200k original miles. Original owner said nothing but oil changes were done - no timing belt etc.

Another member changed his at 160(ish)k. The replacement broke 110k later.

My '05 is at 124k, but I plan to get it done within the next month or so. My '04 is at 184k, and I have no clue if it was ever changed. I'll be looking to have it done (again?) relatively soon as well.

Another member here was quoted by a Honda dealer as saying they won't necessarily break, but will stretch some, effecting the timing.

I guess the moral of the story is, get it done when you can, and have the piece of mind that you should be set for another 100k.

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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

Honda (who makes the 3.5L engines) is telling people to start planning for the best change around 110,000 miles. I've never heard of one breaking. The typical scenario is that they stretch and emissions suffer. The belts of today are made very differently than the old belts of the 70's that did break. In theory one could stretch to such an extent that it binds on something but you'd hear it before then. However, shops do enjoy scaring people with the unlikely "belt breaks " scenario.

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Old 08-24-2012, 03:19 PM   #9
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That said, $650 is CHEAP for that job. Like, hugely cheap. Most people were quote in the 2.5-3x that cost range for the same job. I'd just go ahead and do it ASAP, while driving as little as possible.
Its possible that quote only included the work that the service manual dictates. That does not include changing the water pump, idler bearing, tensioner, etc. Those are all customarily done by reputable shops (although later models used a hydraulic tensioner that does not necessarily need frequent replacement). Personally, I think it unlikely that you'd get an extra 100K of service from the water pump and will likely end up having to do it again soon.

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:29 PM   #10
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Default Re: Timing belt, how long before it breaks?

I didn't know that my emissions could suffer, because of a timing belt. What started this was a code for a large evac leak. Had it repaired, and decided that I'm keeping this vehicle until the wheels fall off it! So very high on the priority list is the aforementioned timing belt, front end work, possibly upgraded brakes, maybe some new tires, and a major detailing so that I can keep the paint looking good. I can't thank everybody on this forum enough for the information that has made owning this vehicle a pleasure.

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Old 08-26-2012, 09:19 AM   #11
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Just to add my .02:

You seem to be getting a great deal. I had an "unnamed friend" do ours in his driveway. He works for "the company who produced the 3.5L engine" and does t-belts every week. Though I got ours done for a couple hundred less, a dealership woulda charged near 1,000 for that same work.

also felt the need to chime in on the evap leak. What did you do to "fix" it? We've had a recurring one and have had the gas cap replaced (under extended warranty) two or three times. We even paid for a smoke test and they confirmed it was a bad gas cap... So I wonder what the root cause of yours was?

The gas cap thing is a known issue with these cars and the warranty goes out to over 100k miles.

It's nice to see that these vues can go 200k!!

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Old 08-26-2012, 09:37 AM   #12
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also felt the need to chime in on the evap leak. What did you do to "fix" it? We've had a recurring one and have had the gas cap replaced (under extended warranty) two or three times. We even paid for a smoke test and they confirmed it was a bad gas cap... So I wonder what the root cause of yours was?
I have extract of the 04-05 Vue gas-cap service bulletin (including details of 10 year / 120,000 warranty). Too large to attach but I'll email if you PM an address.

It appears at least two of root-causes for leaks is a steel fuel filler tube and customers applying downward pressure when putting cap on.

Here's an extract from SB:

Some vehicles may intermittently set a DTC of P0442 or P0455, leak in the evaporative emissions system.

In addition to checking the system and performing the diagnostics as described in the Service Information for this DTC, the technician should be aware that some of the fuel caps used on GM vehicles may not seal adequately to the filler neck if pushed down when being tightened.

This may occur more often when this cap is used on a vehicle with a steel fuel filler neck. The owner should be instructed not to apply a downward force to the fuel cap when tightening.

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Old 08-26-2012, 10:26 AM   #13
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Hi grumpy. Thanks for the info. In my case, A new gas cap fixed the issue (and this last one has been on for over a year). I will be talking to my wife about how she screws it on it after refueling.

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Old 09-04-2012, 07:39 AM   #14
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650.00 is a bargain, if the Mech is to include the waterpump and the pulley tensioner?, seals, etc. take a hard look at the area he has to work in, yikes, the labor alone to get at the thing is a bear.

I know 650.00 with a stressed budget is strong money. but unfortunately there is no real alternative, and if it breaks, more bad, and much more money.

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Old 09-10-2012, 05:43 PM   #15
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$650 is a pretty good deal. Heck, I'd pay someone else to do it for that if the price included name-brand parts and the water pump. It takes a couple of hours. You should also have the valves adjusted at the same time and consider changing the plugs. All that is due approximately every 100k miles.

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