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Old 07-08-2012, 10:40 PM   #1
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Default Trunk Leak / Inner Quarter Sealing Question

Hi all,
This question is a continuation of this accident:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=158106

After taking off all the plastics, I found there are deeper damages to the inner quarter panel. As shows in the picture:



This is something I cannot correct by myself, so I sent to a body shop. The shape was corrected, but it started to leak. I took the bumper cover off again, and found the black sealing is damaged. I assume it was damaged when the body shop was reshaping the inner quarter panel, because there was no leak between the accident and the repair.





Now it leaks into the trunk even when I spray a little bit of water onto that seal



My questions are : what is the formal name of that black seal? Is it manageable with moderate amount (say <$200) of tools/supplies to repair that at home?

Thanks a lot!
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Old 07-16-2012, 08:19 AM   #2
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Default Re: Trunk Leak / Inner Quarter Sealing Question

Temporally solved the problem by reinforcing the seal with a lot of black silicon. So far so good but not sure how long it will last

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Old 07-16-2012, 10:18 AM   #3
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Seam sealant. It's purpose is to ensure a leak free car. It should be able to be applied with a caulking gun, but out may need to be a powered caulking gun like we use on aircraft.

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Old 07-16-2012, 02:39 PM   #4
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Seam sealant. It's purpose is to ensure a leak free car. It should be able to be applied with a caulking gun, but out may need to be a powered caulking gun like we use on aircraft.
Any comment on the black silicone repair?

Silicone seems to work, but the question is if it's going to last. If not, I'd better start doing homework on the seam sealant

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Old 07-16-2012, 03:40 PM   #5
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it's not the same quality product. the seam sealant is usually a 2 part product, the kind I've used uses a 2 tube gun using pneumatic pressure to drive the sealant out, or has the second part in the tube, but you need to inject/mix it and use a powered single tube gun to get it out. sealant isn't what I would call "cheap" or "easy" to work with because of the 2 part system and the viscosity of it.

the seam sealant will actually retain the integrity of the seam, where the silicone will only fill the hole, one doesn't in any way equal the other. unfortunately, I don't have any just laying around, or I would send some to you, but at least try to find the single tube you need to mix, it's going to be the most possible for you to work with at home. also, try to find as many things to do with it before you mix it, it hardens quickly, and is quite expensive. expensive enough we always went around the whole hangar making sure NOBODY else needed any, and coordinated the time it was mixed if they did. also, buy the smallest quantity you can.

once you decide what your options are, let me know, there are some things you can sometimes do to get around needing a special gun.

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Old 07-16-2012, 09:57 PM   #6
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it's not the same quality product. the seam sealant is usually a 2 part product, the kind I've used uses a 2 tube gun using pneumatic pressure to drive the sealant out, or has the second part in the tube, but you need to inject/mix it and use a powered single tube gun to get it out. sealant isn't what I would call "cheap" or "easy" to work with because of the 2 part system and the viscosity of it.

the seam sealant will actually retain the integrity of the seam, where the silicone will only fill the hole, one doesn't in any way equal the other. unfortunately, I don't have any just laying around, or I would send some to you, but at least try to find the single tube you need to mix, it's going to be the most possible for you to work with at home. also, try to find as many things to do with it before you mix it, it hardens quickly, and is quite expensive. expensive enough we always went around the whole hangar making sure NOBODY else needed any, and coordinated the time it was mixed if they did. also, buy the smallest quantity you can.

once you decide what your options are, let me know, there are some things you can sometimes do to get around needing a special gun.
I did notice the factory sealant was mechanically much stronger, so I only used silicone on top of factory seal to fix holes (instead of removing any old sealant). The silicone repair is still relying on the old structure.

It looks like the seam sealant is not as straight forward as I thought, and I am kind of short in time to do more homework on it. Let me put this thing aside for a few month and keep this thread in my bookmark folder. I will come back a little later to this issue

Thank you very much 2006 ion2, it is very helpful

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