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Old 06-30-2012, 09:28 PM   #1
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Default 2003 vue af23 swap

Hi, just received a 2003 Saturn vue 2.2l vti auto, can anyone please tell me for sure if the af23 swap can be done. I have searched and cannot find a defenitive answer. Also if you have done the swap in a vue, what kind of mods are required? Thanks

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Old 06-30-2012, 09:54 PM   #2
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Welcome aboard!
Check this thread . . .
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=130775

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Old 07-01-2012, 09:34 AM   #3
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Default Re: 2003 vue af23 swap

Thanks, but I have already read this. It doesn't give a definitive answer if this swap will work in a vue..

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Old 07-01-2012, 09:47 AM   #4
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Interesting read, but do you think it'll be as straight-forward when swapping into a Vue? They did the swap Ion to Ion....

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Interesting read, but do you think it'll be as straight-forward when swapping into a Vue?
Since they never put the AF23 in a VUE, it certainly wouldn't be as straightforward. I guess coming up with the required tranny mounts would be a big challenge.
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...130775&page=5#

Wolfman says "Doable 'Yes" - practical 'No'"
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho....php?t=153388#

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Old 07-07-2012, 11:26 PM   #6
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Default Re: 2003 vue af23 swap

I'm in the process of acquiring all of the stuff for the swap right now. I found a '03 donor Ion with the AF23, harness, TCM, etc. The wiring is the biggest hurdle evidently, it requires some extensive reworking of the harness.


The guy that starts posting in post #16 seems to be a knowledgeable fellow when it comes to this swap. I've tried PM'ing him a couple of times...I'd love to get his first hand experience on the swap. Either way, I'm diving in to it really soon, my Vue has been sitting for 5 years because of the atrocity which is the VTi.

EDIT: I don't have 15 posts, so I can't link URL's. Search "New here and need help with transmission" in Vue Tech and you'll find the thread. 03vuevti2af23 is the guys username. If anybody can get him to come in, that would be great! He's been lurking around, but hasn't posted anything.

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Old 07-08-2012, 07:55 PM   #7
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Please keep us updated I'm in the process of acquiring parts as well, really just need to know how to make the wiring work. Thanks!!

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Old 07-09-2012, 06:56 PM   #8
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I'll be sure to document things and take a few pictures as I go. I've got some really good software with wiring diagrams. I need to compare the 2 TCM harnesses and see how the layout compares. I'm going to have to build mounts as well, but that shouldn't be all that hard to do. I sure am tired of seeing this thing sit out there in the yard, it's as clean as a pin.

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Old 07-11-2012, 02:06 PM   #9
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would you be able to post the pinouts/diagrams on here?

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Old 07-11-2012, 10:42 PM   #10
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I'll see if I can do that for you. I'll have to see if I can copy or save the files from the software to the desktop and host them through Photobucket or something.

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Old 07-27-2012, 02:05 PM   #11
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Any updates yet?

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Old 07-27-2012, 10:28 PM   #12
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Any updates yet?
Got the transmission, harness, TCM, and 2 of the mounts from a donor car a couple of days ago. The car was in a thorn thicket (literally) and it was a beast to drop the cradle and everything under those conditions. The Vue had set in a corner of my yard for 3 years, I put gas and a battery in it and it fired right up. I pulled it up to the garage and got it cleaned up and ready to tear in to.
I've got to clean the garage out and get it in there, but it will be Monday before I can start on it (gotta work all weekend). I've gotta get those wiring diagrams converted and post them up here for you all.

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Old 08-09-2012, 07:36 PM   #13
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Old 09-05-2012, 08:12 AM   #14
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Sorry for the lack of updates guys. I moved cities and the Vue is at my parents garage. The Trans is in, mounted up, and we've moved on to the wiring. The mounts required a lot of modification, I'll try to get some pics today. I don't have internet at my new location, so it might be a week or so before I can upload anything. I'll try to get some wiring info for you all, it might be the most aggravating part of the job. But its in and mounted up, so hopefully it will be on the road pretty soon.

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Sorry for the lack of updates guys. I moved cities and the Vue is at my parents garage. The Trans is in, mounted up, and we've moved on to the wiring. The mounts required a lot of modification, I'll try to get some pics today. I don't have internet at my new location, so it might be a week or so before I can upload anything. I'll try to get some wiring info for you all, it might be the most aggravating part of the job. But its in and mounted up, so hopefully it will be on the road pretty soon.
Was there any final progress on this? Would love to see those pics if available.

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Old 04-05-2013, 07:55 AM   #16
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Default Re: 2003 vue af23 swap

If u guys doing swaps, what are u guys doing with the cvt trans? Il buy the cores if u guys arr just scraping them. Pm me

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