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Old 04-05-2012, 06:31 PM   #1
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Question Giving my 03 Ion-1 Power Windows and Locks?

Hey guys, how's it going?

New here. Stumbled across this site while searching for ways to refresh/renew my old '03 Saturn Ion. There are so many questions I have to ask, but I'll try and take it one at a time lol.

Currently I have an Ion-1 sedan, and it's killing me because I do not have power windows or locks. Now I've been looking on eBay and have found many Ion inner door panels for use with power window electronics, as well as the control panel. I've also found the electronic regulators on there as well.

Now my question is this...is it possible for me, with the new panel, controls and regulators, to give all of my doors power windows and locks?

And if it is possible, what would be my first steps on going about this?

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Old 04-05-2012, 07:35 PM   #2
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the OEM power locks and rke are run through the BCM, and to work OEM power locks, rke, and windows would require an entire interior wiring harness, BCM reprogram, and a lot of parts, iirc.

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:03 PM   #3
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the OEM power locks and rke are run through the BCM, and to work OEM power locks, rke, and windows would require an entire interior wiring harness, BCM reprogram, and a lot of parts, iirc.
So pretty much don't bother is what you're saying?

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:19 PM   #4
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exactly

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Old 04-05-2012, 08:23 PM   #5
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exactly
Gotcha. And thanks.

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Old 04-06-2012, 02:05 PM   #6
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Ok 2006 ion2:

I was searching on CL and found an 05 saturn that has been wrecked on the front end. However all 4 doors, as well at the trunk are intact and...have functional power windows and locks.

If I retrieved these items from the car...what else would I be looking to snatch out of it as well for this mod to work correctly? Hopefully you can provide me with a list of everything I'd need from it.

And also, what's this part of the car called that I highlighted in the photo attached?
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Old 04-06-2012, 03:21 PM   #7
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the roof rails.

not sure that an 05 would work on an 03, they changed a lot that year.

you would need at least: interior wiring harness (it may have separate sections for the doors, but afaik, the whole thing needs to be replaced), doors (everything inside, but since you have a donor car, just use the new doors), trunk, dash (assuming your car lacks the dash mounted trunk button or a spot for it), bcm, trunk lid or all the internals if there are the mounting holes for the electrical components. you'll probably also need the BCM, and I may be missing some other things.

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:31 PM   #8
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the roof rails.

not sure that an 05 would work on an 03, they changed a lot that year.

you would need at least: interior wiring harness (it may have separate sections for the doors, but afaik, the whole thing needs to be replaced), doors (everything inside, but since you have a donor car, just use the new doors), trunk, dash (assuming your car lacks the dash mounted trunk button or a spot for it), bcm, trunk lid or all the internals if there are the mounting holes for the electrical components. you'll probably also need the BCM, and I may be missing some other things.
Ok before you posted, I called and asked the price for all of these parts:

1) All 4 doors with all internal components
2) The entire trunk lid with all internal components

My dash does have the trunk button, however the button doesn't work. Never has.

Now my next 2 questions:

What exactly is a BCM, where is it located, and how can I identify it?
What exactly is an interior wiring harness, where is it located, and how can I identify it?

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:57 PM   #9
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you may have a fuse blown, or other issues, then.

the BCM is the Body Control Module. it controls all vehicle functions besides the engine and transmission (including, but not limited to vehicle starting, security system, all lights, all power functions). it's in the center console behind the passenger side kick panel.

the whole inside of the car's wiring, it's everywhere inside of the vehicle. you'll probably also need the interior fuse panel, which is in the center console behind the driver's kick panel.

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Old 04-06-2012, 03:58 PM   #10
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Called the dealer and they said that all Ions between 2003-2007 have the same door fit.

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Old 04-06-2012, 04:00 PM   #11
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the doors aren't the issue. the electronics are. specifically the bcm and how it interfaces with the ecm, tcm, and ip

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you may have a fuse blown, or other issues, then.

the BCM is the Body Control Module. it controls all vehicle functions besides the engine and transmission (including, but not limited to vehicle starting, security system, all lights, all power functions). it's in the center console behind the passenger side kick panel.

the whole inside of the car's wiring, it's everywhere inside of the vehicle. you'll probably also need the interior fuse panel, which is in the center console behind the driver's kick panel.
Is the BCM something only Ions with power windows/locks have? Or is it something that I have as well? Also would it make sense for me to grab the ECM, TCM, and IP from that car, or am I good with my own?

Where and what are the ECM, TCM, and IP?

And which fuse box controls the trunk release? Should I nab that cars fuse boxes also, and are they easy to remove?

BTW: I know these are lots of questions and I'm sorry lol. Better for me to ask a ton of them now, then be screwed in the future lol.

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Old 04-06-2012, 04:37 PM   #13
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the BCM is the Body Control Module. it controls all vehicle functions besides the engine and transmission (including, but not limited to vehicle starting, security system, all lights, all power functions).

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Engine Control Module, Transmission Control Module, Instrument Panel

you can't put the ones from an 05 into an 03.

I don't know what fuse it is, I don't have an 03, you do. look in your owner's manual or on the fuse panel cover to see what fuse is what.

you will need the in car fuse panel.

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Thanks again for your help. Waiting for a call back form these guys.

If I have any more question I'll let you know.

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