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Old 03-25-2012, 12:55 PM   #1
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So, I'm fairly certain my power window switch is broken. The driver side window will not go back up. It is a 2001 Saturn SL1. Does anybody have a diagram/pinout for the switch so I can attempt to manually apply the correct voltage to close the window until I can get it properly fixed? Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.

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Old 03-25-2012, 01:04 PM   #2
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So, I'm fairly certain my power window switch is broken. The driver side window will not go back up. It is a 2001 Saturn SL1. Does anybody have a diagram/pinout for the switch so I can attempt to manually apply the correct voltage to close the window until I can get it properly fixed? Any tips or suggestions would be appreciated.
The switch is most likely not broken, but has dirty contacts. Taking the switch apart and cleaning the contacts usually fixes this issue.

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Old 03-25-2012, 01:29 PM   #3
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A quick temporary fix, swap switch with passenger side

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You've obviously never sat in a Saturn S-Series. The power window switches are in a pod behind the shifter. You cant switch from left to right.

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Closest to that kind of swap we can do still involves tearing the switch pod apart. Once the metal contacts get dirty the start making a bad connection. The bad connection creates extra heat (sparks?) which melts the little plastic nub, which makes the connection even worse and cause's more heat melting it even more until it just doesn't work.
The driver window is used 10x more then any of the other windows so the other 1 or 3 switch's should be fine to swap piece's from.

There is a guide on doing it made up but I don't remember the exact URL, and it had limited bandwidth anyway so this time of month it wouldn't work.

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:31 PM   #6
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The switch is most likely not broken, but has dirty contacts. Taking the switch apart and cleaning the contacts usually fixes this issue.
Well, I tried that, except now none of the other windows are working either. Somehow in the process I managed to blow the fuse, so I replaced that, but still no joy.

So my assumption is that somehow the switch module is broken, unless it is likely that something else went in the process. Maybe people here have more wisdom they could share?

My hope was to get the window up for now so that I can wait and get a used replacement part instead of having to shell out for a new on for a car that may not have too much life left in it.

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Old 03-25-2012, 02:33 PM   #7
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Well, I tried that, except now none of the other windows are working either. Somehow in the process I managed to blow the fuse, so I replaced that, but still no joy.

So my assumption is that somehow the switch module is broken, unless it is likely that something else went in the process. Maybe people here have more wisdom they could share?

My hope was to get the window up for now so that I can wait and get a used replacement part instead of having to shell out for a new on for a car that may not have too much life left in it.
I should add that somewhere in the process I lost the contact tab for the lockout switch. Does anybody know if the switch is closed for lockout or if it is open for lockout?

Wow I think I've really messed things up here.

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Old 03-25-2012, 04:47 PM   #8
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It is open for lockout, e.g. when the circuit is closed he rear windows will work via the back seat switches. Make sure you put the little M shaped metal pieces back in the right way up. They look like they ought to go in backwards. You can plug in the disassembled switch and apply 12v to the contacts to raise the windows for now, at least.

There is also a relay that is meant to only enable the windows with the key in ACC or RUN. You could check that; It is located in the interior fuse panel in the passenger side footwell.

Once you learn where the clips are on the power windows/mirror switch assembly you can pop it out any time with a thin screwdriver to mess with -- without having to take the center console apart...

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Old 03-25-2012, 06:50 PM   #9
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Here's the dismantle & cleaning guide:

http://saturnseries.net/DIY%20Guides...ir%2095-99.htm

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Old 03-25-2012, 07:25 PM   #10
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Default Re: manually closing power window

Thanks very much!

I managed to get the window closed - I suspect it must have been the relay as I'm sure I tried closing the contacts with a screwdriver before and it didn't work.

I really appreciate your advice! Controlling it with the switch also confirmed my suspicion that it was the switch and not the window motor itself.

So I guess I now have to source a new switch. When taking apart the unit I noticed that the black plastic nob on the driver's switch had come out and the spring was exposed (if that makes sense). Perhaps I can substitute that with one of the rear ones.

I assume I had the m clips correct because I matched the charred side to the contacts - I don't imagine the reverse side would end up charred.

So perhaps I can try to salvage the switch that I have by figuring out how to jumper close the lockout (I'm not that interested in that particular feature) and swapping the plastic piece from one of the other switches.

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Old 03-25-2012, 09:32 PM   #11
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You can get new switch assemblies from Rockauto and other places, but they are pricey: More than $100, when I checked. If you have a suitably aggressive way of cleaning the contacts they are pretty much indestructible, except the plastic tabs on the lockout switch break off all the time, and the plunger dingus that activates the auto-down feature stops working.

I used a wire brush on my Dremel to clean my switch contacts. Worked real good. Try not to launch the pieces across the garage, though.

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Old 03-25-2012, 09:47 PM   #12
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That is probably the way to go then - I will try and swap out one of the rear plastic switches for the driver's side switch. I have long enough arms that I can probably reach anyway. I'll solder a jumper wire or something across the lockout switch so that I don't have to worry about it. I probably won't worry about the auto down thing so long as everything works fine without it.

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Yeah, swap some parts around to make the window you most need work, then go junkyarding sometime & pick up a spare switch for spare parts.

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