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Old 12-25-2012, 09:54 PM   #41
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I own a 2001 SL2 and i was reading through this and i have a few questions, i want to settle before i go out and replace unnecessary parts. I'm getting the service engine soon light and the codes are P0340/P0341. i'm going to replace the spark plugs and wires, if this isn't it do i also have to replace the crankshaft position sensor or do these have nothing to do with each other?

i also have the idle being funky especially when stopping at stop lights/signs, right and when i start the car the idle pegs at ~2,000 RPM Do i have to replace the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor).?? i hope someone replies to this.
You need to post this in the tech area.

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Old 12-26-2012, 09:32 PM   #42
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I own a 2001 SL2 and i was reading through this and i have a few questions, i want to settle before i go out and replace unnecessary parts. I'm getting the service engine soon light and the codes are P0340/P0341. i'm going to replace the spark plugs and wires, if this isn't it do i also have to replace the crankshaft position sensor or do these have nothing to do with each other?
usually you'd replace the plugs/wires, making sure #4 and #1 run parallel to one another.

next step would be to replace/inspect the coils and ignition module. check them for damage/corrosion.

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i also have the idle being funky especially when stopping at stop lights/signs, right and when i start the car the idle pegs at ~2,000 RPM Do i have to replace the TPS (Throttle Position Sensor).?? i hope someone replies to this.
from a cold start this is normal, so long as the idle starts at 2,000 then goes to 1,200 then down to ~800-1000 when it's warm.

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Old 12-30-2012, 12:56 PM   #43
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Winter Driving.

Since this is coming up a lot (at the time I'm writing this, we even have several threads on the first page of S-series general ALONE on this subject ), here are some general maintenance and handling tips for old man Winter. Feel free to apply this to other vehicles you drive as well, since it's not going to be much different from your S-series, to your 4x4 pickup, to a grand marquis, or a hon-duhhh...

* MAKE SURE YOU HAVE GOOD TIRES. 2/32" of tread is the bare minimum. Anything at or lower than this or if you see wear bars, replace your tires. Ideally, you should go to the scrap yard, pick up four rims that fit your vehicle, and fit them with Blizzaks or some other decent winter tire. This way you always have a good set of winter tires. In addition, keep your tires properly inflated; stock pressures are 26 PSI in back, 30 in front, and 60 for the spare.
* If your battery is over three years old, consider taking it to your FLAPS for checking. Batteries tend to lose A LOT of cranking amps in extreme temperatures (hot or cold). In addition, you should also make sure your connections are tight and free of corrosion/dirt.
* Make sure your brakes are functional. Also be sure your brake fluid is full and clean.
* If your vehicle has 4WD of some kind (4x4, AWD, etc) keep in mind it only helps to plow through the snow AND take off from a dead stop ONLY. it doesn't automatically mean you can do the normal speed limit regardless of conditions.
* In inclement weather, slowdowns are as follows: Rain is 5-10 miles UNDER the limit, snow is HALF of the speed limit, and ice is 5-10mph MAX.
* If you feel yourself start to skid especially while braking (or otherwise can't stop), try pumping the brakes. Locking the brakes will only make things worse.
* Excessive weight, and you. This only applies if your vehicle is RWD or possibly 4WD of some kind. If you have FWD (like our S-series for example), you shouldn't need to put excessive weight down for traction, it's already done for you from the factory.
* Avoid heavy acceleration/braking when possible.
* Make sure your cooling system maintenance was done recently, this means: fresh ECTS/Connector, new-ish thermostat, and clean, fresh coolant. See the first couple posts in this sticky for more information on how to tackle these tasks.
* Above all, if you don't feel confident in going out, then don't go out. There's no sense in putting yourself and/or others in danger just for a trip. You should also check up with snow emergency levels in your jurisdiction in regards to traveling.

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Old 01-24-2013, 07:20 PM   #44
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Hello,

I have a 97 Saturn SL manual 4-door model. Tonight I was going thru a drivethru and I couldn't make my gears shift - seemed to just keep sliding, couldn't feel it catch anything. I just barely got it into 1st gear so I was able to coast it home. Thank God I was only a few blocks away and I live in Mnhttn. Can anyone give me ideas? I'm trying to get my mechanic but he doesn't seem to be available. Do you think it's just a lack of transmission fluid or is my clutch gone?

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Old 01-24-2013, 09:23 PM   #45
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Hello,

I have a 97 Saturn SL manual 4-door model. Tonight I was going thru a drivethru and I couldn't make my gears shift - seemed to just keep sliding, couldn't feel it catch anything. I just barely got it into 1st gear so I was able to coast it home. Thank God I was only a few blocks away and I live in Mnhttn. Can anyone give me ideas? I'm trying to get my mechanic but he doesn't seem to be available. Do you think it's just a lack of transmission fluid or is my clutch gone?

Help!!
as said, earlier in the thread, you may want to check your shifter bushing.

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Old 02-22-2013, 08:17 AM   #46
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I am very curious about this as well, my 97 SL2 does roughly the same thing. It will go up to about 25 degree angle. However, when in major stop-n-go traffic, it will climb as high as 50. Perhaps I am just confused....
Your thermostat casing might have a crack even though your thermostat is good. That's what happened to mine, had to change the thermostat casing.

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Old 03-18-2013, 07:09 PM   #47
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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

Great write up, defiantly bookmarking this one!

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Old 03-20-2013, 07:56 AM   #48
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ATTENTION:

Due to U-tube not wanting to accept video URLs as http://www.youtu.be anymore, until I decide to update this (which most likely should be very soon) in the interim you can either:

1. remove the www. of the URL in your address bar then visit the video like normal (easiest)
or 2. take the stuff after the / and put it after this URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

That is all.

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Old 03-30-2013, 01:53 PM   #49
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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

Courtesy of oldnuc, a list of part numbers for fixed orifice PCV valve:

AC/Delco CV4000C
FRAM FV410
BWD PCV 484
Autozone PCV1009DL
NAPA CRB 29485

These will help reduce oil consumption.

KEYWORDS: Oil burning, smoke, Saturn 1.9 DOHC SOHC SC1 SC2 SL1 SL2 SW1 SW2

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Old 04-19-2013, 06:20 AM   #50
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Must include the shifter bushing and cabling for manual trans. As a preventative maintenance item, the OEM bushing should, in my opinion, automatically be replaced around the 75,000 mile marker if the car has been driven extensively in a city traffic environment. There is a good source for a replacement bushing at http://www.ebay.com/sch/saturnbushin...&_trksid=p3984 and multiple postings on how to do it.
OP, can you change your checklist to recommend that this be replaced as preventative maintenance around 75k miles? Or to at least have a spare in the glove box?

I have 80k miles on my '98 SW2, and I've been going through the major things on the checklist, especially the ones that would leave me stranded. My bushing just broke (thankfully in my driveway), but I had to put the wretched Dorman bushing on there, because my wife is taking my car on a trip tomorrow. If it had been listed as preventative maintenance in the checklist, then I would've at least had the nice Delrin one in my glove box. I did order a Delrin bushin to keep in the glove box for when the Dorman bushing breaks.

I'm just thankful it happened to me in my driveway instead of my wife in the middle of no place this weekend. I could just see trying to walk her through duct-taping and zip-tying on the broken bushing over the phone

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Old 06-13-2013, 10:46 PM   #51
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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

This has nothing to do with S-series maintenance, but as of late I've been seeing quite a few non-Saturns wanting help.

Do we support them? Yes. However it is limited since we are a Saturn board The proper place for the questions though, is right here in the other cars forum in off-topic:

http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=28

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Old 06-17-2013, 11:36 AM   #52
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Love this article, many thanks to all the people that have contributed to it. I only have one question, anyway we could get the links to the videos updated?

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Old 06-18-2013, 01:24 AM   #53
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Love this article, many thanks to all the people that have contributed to it. I only have one question, anyway we could get the links to the videos updated?
For now you'll have to click the link to the video, then delete the www. from the URL and go.

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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

Fantastic thread. Thanks for all the good info here!

Wish I had found/ read this before I bought my spark plugs (Bosch Platinums), but we'll see how that goes

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Old 10-16-2013, 11:57 AM   #55
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Great thread! But none of the Youtube links seem to work.

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Great thread! But none of the Youtube links seem to work.
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For now you'll have to click the link to the video, then delete the www. from the URL and go.
Taken from my last post, it was a few posts above yours.

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Uhhhhhh... just as a heads-up, we have social medium communities:

Facebook
Google+

And if we need twitter, instagram, youtube (though I think Richpin has about 99% of the S-series stuff covered, and the rest (myself included) have the other 1%), etc communities, let me know and I'll have Charlie edit this post till I make a 4.0 of this list.

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This applies to Saturn's that have lived the duration of their life in Northern States. Sometimes known as "Salt Belt" states.

Saturn's carry the illusion of always being perfect because the car is primarily plastic body panels which always look beautiful. At first glance, it would be impossible to believe that the car is a rotten rust bucket.

So that brings up the point I am making here and adding this to the "Check List"


~Checking For Rot & Rust~

Generation-1 (1991 ~ 1995):

Engine Sub-Frame:
You'll want to get down and look under the car at the engine cradle or Sub-Frame as we call it. This is an area notorious for rotting out, epically on this Generation, given that the "newest" is now 19 years old.

The sub-frame typically likes to become rotten on the drives side control arm, and at the rear mount point of the frame (below the drivers feet). Surface rust here is normal and to be expected, but if it looks like there are large HOLES in the frame, or pieces of the frame are just completely gone, then I would worry about it being safe or not.

The sub-frame is not a hard item to find and not hard to replace if you are good with working on your own car.

Late 1993 to 1995 can use any Sub-Frame from any later generation all the way up to 2002. Early 1993, 1992, and 1991 have their own sub-frame which is getting hard to find. Refer to swap guides.

Body

First location on Gen-1 cars that is almost always rotten or gone, is the rear door sills. Check under both rear doors on SL and SW cars and see what is left. Don't be surprised if it's a giant hole. This was a design flaw that is well documented with these cars. Don't let it denture you from the car! These holes DO NOT EFFECT STRUCTURE AT ALL. They are just stupid holes.

Rotten rear door sills do not mean the car is a pile of junk, or that it is an unsafe car. It's just a stupid design flaw that water sits under that piece of plastic and eats at the metal anytime it even gets a LITTLE wet.

Second Location to check for rot issues on these cars is the rear floor pans. I have heard of water coming in though bad door seals and sitting in the floor pans and eating them. Just take a look under the car, and hit them with your hand, make sure these are solid. I have only seen a rotten floor pan once.

Third Location Check along the underside of the rockers. This is the area below the doors. Make sure it is solid and not open with holes. I have seen this area be completely rotten and missing. Also rare, but good to check.

Fourth Location You will want to take a moment and check the rear trailing arms. That would be the long metal bar connecting to the body, to the bottom most section behind the rear tires.

These bars them self have on occasion been known to rust and snap, so check to make sure they are solid. Also check where it is bolted to the body, that the body is not rotten around them.


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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

Thanks for this, I'm new to Saturns and have learned so much already!

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Default Re: New or Returning S-Series owners' checklist Version 3.0

All the utube links don't work, am I doing something wrong?

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