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Old 02-05-2012, 08:21 AM   #1
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Default a good code reader

Ready to buy a code reader--looking for one that will give codes and mpg that dosen't cost an arm and a leg---
This will be for 1997 saturn sl sedan manuel shift. Where to buy and approx. cost.

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Old 02-05-2012, 11:26 AM   #2
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Default Re: a good code reader

Look up the "PLX Kiwi MPG Gauge OBDII Scanner" I don't have enough posts yet to post links . I saw it on StreetRays . com. For $89.59

It does:

OBD2 codes (obviously)
Fuel Used (Gallons, Liters)
Fuel Remaining (Gallons, Liters)
Distance to Empty (Gallons, Liters)
Engine RPM
Vehicle Speed (MPH, KMH)
Coolant Temp (Fahrenheit, Celsius)
Throttle Position
Looks like it may be what your looking for. Hope this helps!

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Old 02-05-2012, 11:38 AM   #3
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Look up the "PLX Kiwi MPG Gauge OBDII Scanner" I don't have enough posts yet to post links . I saw it on StreetRays . com. For $89.59

It does:

OBD2 codes (obviously)
Fuel Used (Gallons, Liters)
Fuel Remaining (Gallons, Liters)
Distance to Empty (Gallons, Liters)
Engine RPM
Vehicle Speed (MPH, KMH)
Coolant Temp (Fahrenheit, Celsius)
Throttle Position
Looks like it may be what your looking for. Hope this helps!
Thanks--I will check it out.

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Old 02-05-2012, 11:53 AM   #4
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These work and are low cost. http://www.diydiagnostics.com/index.html

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Old 02-05-2012, 12:10 PM   #5
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Default Re: a good code reader

I use the old fashioned odometer to calculate my MPG's and a Actron 9180 for everything else.

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The proper way to fix a S-Series automatic is to replace it with a 5spd O:)

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Old 02-05-2012, 12:15 PM   #6
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I've used both Ultraguage and Scan Guage II. Both work well.

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Old 02-05-2012, 07:52 PM   #7
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http://bowserelectronics.com/ reads GM specific data, ABS, SIR, etc.

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Old 02-06-2012, 10:36 AM   #8
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The Harbor Freight tool is pretty good.... for the price.

http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...ner-98614.html

I wouldn't pay $150 for it, but I found it on sale at my store for $99. 20% coupon off that put it in my cart for $70 + tax.


However, many people say the OEM version of the tool is the Autel 509. They look exactly the same and the feature breakdown is the same. Googling shopping for the Autel unit shows prices anywhere from $57 to over $100. Amazon has it at $72 shipped.

http://www.auteltech.com/ms509.htm


The tool does all the basics well. The O2 sensor test is useful, if you know how to use it, b/c the user manual sucks.

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Old 02-06-2012, 03:30 PM   #9
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I use an Actron 9185. Works just fine.

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Old 02-06-2012, 03:33 PM   #10
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Default Re: a good code reader

Still seems like a lot of pay for a basic reader without support for Air bag, ABS, etc.

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The Harbor Freight tool is pretty good.... for the price.

http://www.harborfreight.com/automot...ner-98614.html

I wouldn't pay $150 for it, but I found it on sale at my store for $99. 20% coupon off that put it in my cart for $70 + tax.

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Old 02-06-2012, 11:18 PM   #11
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Still seems like a lot of pay for a basic reader without support for Air bag, ABS, etc.

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I dunno. Is it? I've got no frame of reference. It pulls codes, live data off all the sensors, graphs, and can output a saved data stream to a PC graphing package. Pulls OBD readiness monitors and can initiate tests on O2 and EVAP systems.

I've got $70 worth of use out of it.

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Old 02-07-2012, 01:31 AM   #12
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Ultragauge Or Actron 9145 (number may be wrong)

Ultragauge is nice, give readout of six items (water temp, mpg, timing advance, etc) on the screen.

You need a 96 or higher (OBD II) to use either...

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Old 02-07-2012, 08:34 AM   #13
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Do any of the lower-cost scantools provide bi-directional capability? For example, to turn a given output on/off ... like a trans shift solenoid, etc?

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Old 02-07-2012, 09:32 AM   #14
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Device control addresses are vehicle specific and licensed material. The license costs 7000+. If you want that then you will be spending better than 1000.00 for the unit. Only Tech-2 has the complete set for each vehicle and that does not include the Chinese copy.

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Old 02-07-2012, 09:32 AM   #15
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Sub $100? No.

Sub $200? None that I know of (but I don't know everything)

The one I'm looking into right now costs around $500. It's the PC based AutoEnginuity system. $250 for the software and cables, $225 for the GM access package. According to their list, it will do nearly everything a GM brick will do for Gen3 S-Series. ABS, SRS, all the body controls, A/C, cluster, etc, chassis sensors, powertrain, transmission... OnStar. Totally bi-directional.

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Access to the CAN network cars gets you the basic and extended engine code set, ABS, SDM, BCM. It still does not provide settings modification or device control. It provides exactly the minimum that is required by to original Federal law and associated regulations, nothing more. The OBD-2 pre CAN cars require separate data sets for the ABS and SDM which is only minimally available for Saturn. GM is not Saturn so resist strongly falling into that trap.

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Old 02-07-2012, 12:25 PM   #17
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GM is not Saturn so resist strongly falling into that trap.
Agreed. Make sure the potential purchase specifically supports Saturn.

Autoenginuity does...
http://www.autoenginuity.com/GM-Vehi...port-List.html
http://www.autoenginuity.com/GM-All-Systems-List.html
http://www.autoenginuity.com/GM-Vehi...port-List.html

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There are several that do support the S-Series but you have to actually cal them on the phone and specifically ask if you can access ABS and SDM codes. Most of the time the answer is NO.

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I get ABS and SIR with bowserelectronics.com. They do have the ability to send device controls but you have to manually enter the address (which perhaps gets around some of the licensing). I've sent a couple commands just to ensure that I can but haven't really found any reason yet to send commands. You do pay extra for the GM extensions though.

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That's a very impressive product!

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