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Old 08-11-2011, 08:28 PM   #1
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Default My Saturn SL2 engine build & modification pictures

So I had the opportunity to use my shops lifts & tools for the week...and I happened to have a saturn show room block sitting around so I decided to refresh my baby a little bit. Check out how things have gone so far.

Before anyone decides to possibly trash talk, I'd like you to know that I am a Certified Automotive Technician with Certifications in:
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I am in no way trying to boast, just letting you know that this job is indeed VERY difficult and should ONLY be performed by a professional.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:34 PM   #2
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Must be nice to have a crate engine handy! Looks really clean. Just curious, what did you coat the intake with?

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Old 08-11-2011, 08:52 PM   #3
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I think the white looks strange but the motor looks great otherwise.

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Old 08-11-2011, 09:14 PM   #4
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Must be nice to have a crate engine handy! Looks really clean. Just curious, what did you coat the intake with?
Intake was coated with medium gloss black engine enamel. Thanks!

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Old 08-11-2011, 09:16 PM   #5
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I think the white looks strange but the motor looks great otherwise.
It's not actually white, it's a darker grey now...since the last layer of paint has dried. The color is actually a medium grey, and it matches great with the throttle body color. Looks fantastic.

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Old 08-12-2011, 09:54 AM   #6
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What was the problem you encountered that required a professional? Many of us have put lots of miles a home rebuilt motors. These Saturn 4 bangers are about the simpliest motors out there. The forum here is full of previous rebuild experiences if you are running into a problem.

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What was the problem you encountered that required a professional? Many of us have put lots of miles a home rebuilt motors. These Saturn 4 bangers are about the simpliest motors out there. The forum here is full of previous rebuild experiences if you are running into a problem.
He's ASE certified. No one else is qualified to do more then change the oil, if that. Just like the Hayne's manual says.

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Old 08-12-2011, 12:01 PM   #8
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did yah bore it and stroke it and a dyno

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Old 08-12-2011, 03:32 PM   #9
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What was the problem you encountered that required a professional? Many of us have put lots of miles a home rebuilt motors. These Saturn 4 bangers are about the simpliest motors out there. The forum here is full of previous rebuild experiences if you are running into a problem.
I haven't had any issues that I haven't been able to deal with on my own. I was just letting everyone know that this job is difficult & isn't for the typical DIYer who changes his/her oil & brakes lol.

I was merely stating my certifications so people weren't trash talking the methods I used. I am very aware that there are many people in this forum who are MUCH MORE educated than me in the field...just because you're certified..doesn't make you a god.
Believe me, I get that.
But on that same note, I do know a hell of alot.

The issues I encountered were the typical...broken bolts...thread chasing repairs...things not lining up....but that's part of the job.
All has been delt with and now this is how she sits..mocked up in position and ready to be bolted back in & wiring reset into place
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Old 08-12-2011, 03:35 PM   #10
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What was the problem you encountered that required a professional? Many of us have put lots of miles a home rebuilt motors. These Saturn 4 bangers are about the simpliest motors out there. The forum here is full of previous rebuild experiences if you are running into a problem.
The only issue I have with the rebuild is that I cannot find a replacement set of Rod bolts for this block. I really REALLY did not want to resuse the torque to yield bolts, but I had no choice. I used locktight in the bolts to insure they don't back out, but will be making sure to keep the load very suttle for the first 5k to make sure they stretch properly.

Before you all jump on me for re-suing TTY bolts, understand I know that you're not supposed to. THE ONLY REASON I felt it was ok was because this motor has never ran, thus these bolts haven't been fully "stretched"....torqueing a bolt merely gets it into the ball park...but the actual running of the engine will get everything settled in.

We shall see how it all pans out. This isn't the first block I've put together. I've done a few subaru wrx ej20's that were pushing around 400hp...and 2 other saturn sl2 blocks.
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Old 08-12-2011, 04:42 PM   #11
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while ur there down in the bay, gut ur precat out and possibly tube it.

Is that o2 sensor a bosch? if so return it or junk it and get NGK/NTK. do the 4 wire conversion. look for a the post by ngk tech on this forum for proper 4 wire o2....

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Old 08-13-2011, 11:52 AM   #14
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Wasnt aware the rod bolts were torque to yeld, just head bolts.

You'll get more trash talking quoting your qualifications, rather then just doing good job and letting your work speak for itself.

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I am certainly not the premier authority on saturn rebuilds, but I don't think the rod bolts are TTY. There have been several threads on here where the RB were reused without any issues.

I did not see anything in your posts that would make me expect a flame on this forum. There are several forums that I avoid because of the prevailing bad attitudes!!

Probably to only exception to that would be another thread on how you want to turbo your SL1 and make it the unltimate 'sleeper'. (for under $300)

That will probably get you flamed!!

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Rod bolts are not torque to yield. Only the head bolts are torque to yield.

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You can safely gut a pre-CAT even in CA. It is just an exhaust restriction that supposedly heats the O2 sensor quicker. Does not contribute to emissions control otherwise.

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The 99-02 rod bolts are Torque To Yield but the 91-98 are not. The 99-02 have been reused but you have to pull the torque value out of thin air as if you go by the book they may break.

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The late TTY rod bolts are still available, you need a part number and then they can be obtained.

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The late TTY rod bolts are still available, you need a part number and then they can be obtained.
I was using both AllData and Prosis. They both confirmed that the bolts are infact TTY bolts. I torqued them to 33 lb-ft, which is the same as 19lb-ft + 75 degrees (TTY Value). I threw on a drop of blue loctite on each one to ensure they do not back out. As for this part number, i was unable to find this number, so if you could assist in possibly getting me that number then my life would be much easier. Thanks for all the positive comments guys, I'll keep you all posted.

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