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Old 08-06-2011, 11:02 PM   #21
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That is what I was thinking
So now the question is, what are each of these?:
First two are obviously cfg83's






The only one questionable as to actually being a table is the last one, but the data is far too organized up until the higher portions... though this could be something like scratchy TPS syndrome.... Looking at it now though, it looks like the data ends at 16.16 so the rest might be more code <.<

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Old 08-06-2011, 11:06 PM   #22
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For reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs
And I know it is wikipedia, but I don't have access to the SAE papers yet.

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Old 08-06-2011, 11:28 PM   #23
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Reorganized last array, got a few more:
Array4 as 16x16
Code:
1C4A8  00 00 00 00 01 01 07 07  08 08 0B 0B 0C 0C 12 12
1C4B8  16 16 19 19 1A 1A 1D 1D  1E 1E 21 21 22 22 22 22
1C4C8  23 23 23 23 24 24 24 24  25 25 25 25 26 26 26 26
1C4D8  27 27 27 27 28 28 28 28  29 29 29 29 2A 2A 2A 2A
1C4E8  2B 2B 2B 2B 2C 2C 2C 2C  2D 2D 2D 2D 2E 2E 2E 2E
1C4F8  2F 2F 2F 2F 30 30 30 30  31 31 31 31 32 32 32 32
1C508  33 33 33 33 34 34 34 34  35 35 35 35 36 36 36 36
1C518  37 37 37 37 38 38 38 38  39 39 39 39 3A 3A 3A 3A
1C528  3B 3B 3B 3B 3C 3C 3C 3C  3D 3D 3D 3D 3E 3E 3E 3E
1C538  3F 3F 3F 3F 40 40 40 40  41 41 41 41 42 42 42 42
1C548  43 43 43 43 44 44 44 44  45 45 45 45 46 46 46 46
1C558  47 47 47 47 48 48 48 48  49 49 49 49 4A 4A 4A 4A
1C568  4B 4B 4B 4B 4C 4C 4C 4C  4D 4D 4D 4D 4E 4E 4E 4E
1C578  4F 4F 4F 4F 50 50 50 50  51 51 51 51 52 52 52 52
1C588  53 53 53 53 54 54 54 54  55 55 55 55 56 56 56 56
1C598  57 57 57 57 58 58 58 58  59 59 59 59 5A 5A 5A 5A
Code:
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7D7                 fcb $E0, $FF, $FF
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
ROM:1C7EF                 fcb $7E, $C8, $37, $4F, $39, 0, $BD, $C8, $37
There are some segments in between, as well, that look WAY too repetitious to not be data.

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Old 08-06-2011, 11:45 PM   #24
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For reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OBD-II_PIDs
And I know it is wikipedia, but I don't have access to the SAE papers yet.
That is probably very close if not right on.

Did you see the section relating to Non-standard PIDs? This is the entire problem.

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Old 08-07-2011, 02:33 AM   #25
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I found the trans temp for autos by just looking a memory locations and picking a few that looked like winners then watched them and disconnected the sensor to find the correct one.

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Old 08-07-2011, 08:07 AM   #26
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Did you see the section relating to Non-standard PIDs? This is the entire problem.
Yes I did, but I can see the known ones which help me find the master table of PID handling.
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I found the trans temp for autos by just looking a memory locations and picking a few that looked like winners then watched them and disconnected the sensor to find the correct one.
Guess and check is always fun lol
Looks like mode 22 requests will be for Tech2's (and explain why Sabercatpuck was so interested in them)

OldNuc you mentioned you use the USB->OBD adapter, but what software do you use? If it is opensource I can work of its code and understand both sides without physical hacking.
I'm more interested in the packet layout than the protocol for sending it, because they should be formatted roughly the same afterwards.

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I knew the math was correct....so all I needed to do was clock through the memory untill the readings looked real and go from there.The scangaugeII is by-directional. I poled the PCM for supported PID's and the 96 doesn't support much.

The coveted data are things like the trans temp, knock retard, slip ratio in trans, etc. All the parameters my MAC Mentor / OTC Genniss displays....

I can give you the memory address if it will help. Or search me and trans temp and scangaugeII

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There is a lot of free software out there for ELM chips, but not much Open Source, and most are no longer being developed. Try these sites and start drilling down. In particular the last one. The ZIP files actually have some source code. Might help.

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http://scantool.imechatronics.com/downloads.htm
http://www.obdtester.com/obd2-free-software
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Going to be delayed for a day or two. Had a strange powerfailure that managed to get past the pure sine wave power conditioner to my main computer. Computer works but I have some corrupt data to fix that shouldn't take long.

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Just hate that when it happens....

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Yeah, apparently a new *feature* of windows7 is for all the services to panic at boot if the log files are corrupt. Pretty much just a matter of forcing a rebuild.

Times I wish windows would instal on ext4 filesystems -.-

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the Linux .. Run that doze in a VM.

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Been contemplating it... I'm currently on an Ubuntu liveCD for recovering my data.

See, I use Win7 for 80% of my work. I normally have Ubuntu, Backtrack, WinServer2003R2, and OSX in VMs (I hate multi-booting because you have to wait for the restart).

My problem is that I do just enough gaming on this rig for me not to be happy working in a VM. What I'm waiting for is my next large disbursement, then I can have my windows on RAID1 and KVM between a *nix box and the windows box

I don't know if I've mentioned it, but the rig I'm working from has roughly 2.5 TeraFLOPS of total computing power.

Dual-Core 2.7GHz Intel (so 4 threads, but still not much. Waiting to upgrade to a 3.3GHz Quad i5-2500k Intel)
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My case moves a total of 430 cfm, always a nice breeze in here
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I fly through work on this rig

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I have yet to find a KVM that does not have serious issues if you like decent graphics. It is easier to network the things.

I am contemplating a move from Ubuntu 10.10 to Debian Unstable.

I should build a new computer..... Just stalling for the price of SSD to come down.

I have become attached to a 28" monitor and Linux gnome multiple desktops.

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Back up and running. I seriously suddenly had everything including the guitar break XD everything is fixed now and I can continue working. I'm starting to layout ram.

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I have yet to find a KVM that does not have serious issues if you like decent graphics. It is easier to network the things.
Yeah, I was thinking KVM software (so networked) between the boxes, and two monitors per rig.

I am contemplating a move from Ubuntu 10.10 to Debian Unstable.
Not liking the new UI? :P

I should build a new computer..... Just stalling for the price of SSD to come down.
I think I just saw a 160GB SSD for just over 100$ Personally, I'd just get a hybrid drive. True SSDs get too sick, too fast for my liking.

I have become attached to a 28" monitor and Linux gnome multiple desktops.
That's a nice monitor <.< And I'm iffy on legacy gnome... I like the graphics of KDE 4 but hate the system instability. Modern Gnome and Unity I like though.

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I'm currently working under the suspicion that MODE+PID = RAM address for that byte of data

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There is a lot of data access to that area, but for some reason, I don't think that is it <.<

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Gnome 3.2 should be fine. The new Unity interface that looks like Win 95 does not appeal. And many handy little Gnome toys are now broke. Ubuntu is carefully built from Debian unstable to be reasonably idiot proof, this also interferes with controlling the system easily. And more than that much interesting software is written for Debian as a deb but it will not properly compile and run on Ubuntu due to some different directory use structure. Just enough to make the process properly painful. And some different library versions which promptly render something else broke.

Not sure how they mapped RAM and that info is probably not in any of the SAE papers either.

Failures come in bunches.

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Address 5401 is the ram address for trans temp if helps figure out how it's mapped.

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Is 62C (143.6F) possible for tranny temp?

The problem with you sending that, is that it is the "encrypted" address.
5401, 15401, 4510, 14510, A208, 1A208, and D401 are all sections of code.
But, if you reverse each byte's bits, you get 2A80 which is a segment that I haven't the foggiest idea of what it is, and there are also no read/write references to the area. The particular byte is 66, which would translate to a temp of 62C

Here is the area:
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RESERVED:2A44                 fcb   5
RESERVED:2A45                 fcb $30 ; 0
RESERVED:2A46                 fcb $40 ; @
RESERVED:2A47                 fcb   5
RESERVED:2A48                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A49                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4A                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4B                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4C                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4D                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4E                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A4F                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A50                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A51                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A52                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A53                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A54                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A55                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A56                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A57                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A58                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A59                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A5A                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A5B                 fcb $7D ; }
RESERVED:2A5C                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A5D                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A5E                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A5F                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A60                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A61                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A62                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A63                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A64                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A65                 fcb $7A ; z
RESERVED:2A66                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A67                 fcb $77 ; w
RESERVED:2A68                 fcb $77 ; w
RESERVED:2A69                 fcb $77 ; w
RESERVED:2A6A                 fcb $77 ; w
RESERVED:2A6B                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A6C                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A6D                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A6E                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A6F                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A70                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A71                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A72                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A73                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A74                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A75                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A76                 fcb $6C ; l
RESERVED:2A77                 fcb $6C ; l
RESERVED:2A78                 fcb $69 ; i
RESERVED:2A79                 fcb $69 ; i
RESERVED:2A7A                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A7B                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A7C                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A7D                 fcb $61 ; a
RESERVED:2A7E                 fcb $61 ; a
RESERVED:2A7F                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A80                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A81                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A82                 fcb $61 ; a
RESERVED:2A83                 fcb $61 ; a
RESERVED:2A84                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A85                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A86                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A87                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A88                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A89                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A8A                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A8B                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A8C                 fcb $80 ; 
RESERVED:2A8D byte_2A8D:      fcb $80                 ; DATA XREF: sub_93F3+3Br
RESERVED:2A8D                                         ; sub_93F3+5Er
RESERVED:2A8E byte_2A8E:      fcb $72                 ; DATA XREF: sub_EEE8+Ar
RESERVED:2A8F                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A90                 fcb $72 ; r
RESERVED:2A91                 fcb $6C ; l
RESERVED:2A92                 fcb $69 ; i
RESERVED:2A93                 fcb $66 ; f
RESERVED:2A94 byte_2A94:      fcb $66                 ; DATA XREF: sub_EEE8+13r
As you can tell, towards the end of the section, but the function that accesses the data is very cryptic (aside from the first reference which is made by OC4I (Output Control for Interrupts iirc).

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