SaturnFans.com
what's new (beta) - classifieds - forums - photos


Go Back   SaturnFans.com Forums > Models > Saturn S-Series > S-Series General
Register FAQ Members List Groups Calendar Chat Room Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-27-2010, 11:15 PM   #1
kjathena
Member
kjathena is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tampa Bay Florida
Posts: 53

1997 SL2
Default new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

just bought a 97 sl1(I think) shifter is really sloppy/loose but she shifts into all gears smoothly...clutch seems fine. What should I have checked ?

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to kjathena's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help kjathena reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
kjathena is offline   Reply With Quote
SaturnFans.com Sponsored Links
Old 12-27-2010, 11:26 PM   #2
Signmaster
Master Member
Signmaster is a name known to allSignmaster is a name known to allSignmaster is a name known to allSignmaster is a name known to allSignmaster is a name known to allSignmaster is a name known to all
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Virginia Beach, VA
Posts: 4,880
 

1995 SL1
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

The number 1 issue is usually a bad or replaced with other than proper shifter bushing. It's easy to remove the console and check it out. From there wear can be hit and miss at various points from the bushing connection, the shifter mechanism itself, and the outer linkages at the tranny.

Sometimes it just needs cleaned up well and lubed. Sometimes it takes something more. This post from DIYguy has some great tips on getting rid of the slop. Better yet, this thread has even better info and many photos by DIYguy on what he did with his.


And BTW, welcome to the forums.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to Signmaster's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help Signmaster reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
Signmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 12:01 AM   #3
kjathena
Member
kjathena is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tampa Bay Florida
Posts: 53

1997 SL2
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

Thank you will have it checked

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to kjathena's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help kjathena reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
kjathena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 12:15 AM   #4
2NDSOUT
Master Member
2NDSOUT has a spectacular aura about2NDSOUT has a spectacular aura about2NDSOUT has a spectacular aura about
 
2NDSOUT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: Cincinnati, Ohio
Posts: 6,748
 

1994 SL2
1997 SW2
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

The center console removes easily. It is held in with 2 philips head screws.

Check to see if you have a cable tie holding the shifter tower together. In most cases people will use a cable tie to re-attach the broken shifter loop to the cable, or do some kind of home brew connection to get the shifter tower reconnected.

If you search on Ebay (Saturn Bushing Man- a former Saturnfans member), sells both a shifter bushing replacement and shifter loop replacement.

Either way, money well spent to get rid of the slop in the shifter. I have both of the replacements in my 94 SL2 (Stainless Steel shifter bushing and shifter loop)

...
Bryan

94 SL2 225K Miles
97 SW2 255K Miles

Garaged
94 SL2 HCE, "Pearl"

Never Forget
94 SC1 340,501 Miles
Original Engine/Auto Trans
02/97-10/08
Gone 03/12


92 SL1
05 VUE
91 SC

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to 2NDSOUT's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help 2NDSOUT reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
2NDSOUT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 02:16 AM   #5
SLCraig
Master Member
SLCraig is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: London, ON
Posts: 2,916

1996 SL2
2000 SW2
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

I find most of the play in my car's shifter is from the shift tower joints having some slop in them. (where the cables connect on the transmission)
It is likely normal, but still worth checking everything over to be sure.

...
1996 SL2 5MT. 239KMs. Gone, but not forgotten.
2000 SW2 5MT. 133KMs. Gone, but not forgotten.

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to SLCraig's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help SLCraig reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
SLCraig is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-28-2010, 10:00 PM   #6
eRic 02sc2
Super Member
eRic 02sc2 has a spectacular aura abouteRic 02sc2 has a spectacular aura about
 
eRic 02sc2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Closed Course. Professional Driver.
Posts: 14,580
 
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

Quote:
Originally Posted by kjathena View Post
just bought a 97 sl1(I think) shifter is really sloppy/loose but she shifts into all gears smoothly...clutch seems fine. What should I have checked ?
replace the shift tower that's mounted on top of the transaxle. my 92 SC and 96 SC2 shifter had symptoms where the lever would flop around and didn't have any springiness to return to center between shifts. a new shift tower fixed it.

...
eRic 02sc2
DR SCCA Solo 2001,2002 1st DSP
WHRRi 2007,2010 Fun Run 1st
DR SCCA 2008 Triathalon 1st PF
DR SCCA Solo 2009 2nd ST
DR SCCA Solo 2010 1st ST
Crutchfield: pkeqe-6j8e3-d2qqe

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to eRic 02sc2's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help eRic 02sc2 reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
eRic 02sc2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 09:25 AM   #7
alordofchaos
Master Member
alordofchaos is just really nicealordofchaos is just really nicealordofchaos is just really nicealordofchaos is just really nice
 
alordofchaos's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Central MI
Posts: 8,757
 

1998 SL2
1997 SC2
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2NDSOUT View Post
The center console removes easily. It is held in with 2 philips head screws.
Four, iirc - on 2nd gens, there are also two in the front (under the driver side kick panel and passenger side fuse cover).

There is an excellent video by richpin06a on Youtube showing the console removal. Pictures here
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...light=computer

...
...Wait, what, I actually won that eBay auction? Guess I now (12/2008) own a 1998 SL2, silver, 5 spd :p 102k @ purchase, now 169k
And now (7/2010), a Craigslist 1997 SC2, white, 5 spd

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to alordofchaos's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help alordofchaos reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
alordofchaos is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 01:31 PM   #8
kjathena
Member
kjathena is on a distinguished road
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tampa Bay Florida
Posts: 53

1997 SL2
Default Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

Quote:
Originally Posted by 2NDSOUT View Post
The center console removes easily. It is held in with 2 philips head screws.

Check to see if you have a cable tie holding the shifter tower together. In most cases people will use a cable tie to re-attach the broken shifter loop to the cable, or do some kind of home brew connection to get the shifter tower reconnected.

If you search on Ebay (Saturn Bushing Man- a former Saturnfans member), sells both a shifter bushing replacement and shifter loop replacement.

Either way, money well spent to get rid of the slop in the shifter. I have both of the replacements in my 94 SL2 (Stainless Steel shifter bushing and shifter loop)
yep it was a cable tie....may replace bushing too just because

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to kjathena's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help kjathena reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
kjathena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-29-2010, 04:59 PM   #9
DIYguy
Master Member
DIYguy is a jewel in the roughDIYguy is a jewel in the roughDIYguy is a jewel in the roughDIYguy is a jewel in the rough
 
DIYguy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Northern California
Posts: 2,591
 

1997 SC2
Happy Re: new to saturn sloppy shifter(5 speed)

2+ years and many tens of thousands of miles after repairing/tightening my shifter it is still reasonably tight and ergonomically much better than it was originally (far easier on my wrist). Thanks for the thread references Signmaster.

I'll probably be putting a small ball bearing or cam follower on the plate at the transmission shifter input some time this spring. This is where the follower button wore flat and so I rotated and brazed it to tighten it up on a fresh round surface.

The button is just now starting to get a bit loose again despite being greased periodically. I wish it had a dust cover, and I thought about devising a rubber boot from an old inner tube to cover it, but didn't, so there it sits covered in grease most of the time.

Despite all that, the shifter probably has +/-1/8" play at the shift knob tip left and right (gate) and a bit less front to rear (throw) at this moment.

Old computer disk drives or hobby shops can be good sources for nice, inexpensive (or free) ball bearings. The trick will be locating the right outside diameter to replace the button (around 1/2" as I recall).

...
DIYguy

Quando Omni Flunkus Moritati

97SC2 Saturn, Cruze Eco, Chevy SS P/U, Honda VT1100C

REWARD EXCELLENCE!

Add to DIYguy's Reputation
Rate the quality of this post and help DIYguy reputation points. Click the reputation button near the bottom left corner of this message box. Thank you!
DIYguy is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
stick shifter VERY loose/sloppy pippo S-Series General 13 08-24-2011 10:20 AM
5 speed shifter.... Ikiris S-Series Tech 2 07-19-2010 09:01 PM
96 SL2 5 speed - Shifter Flopping Suki S-Series Tech 2 08-27-2006 07:44 PM
How to remove the shifter cables from a 5 speed manual saturn turbobuick33 S-Series General 1 02-05-2006 11:56 PM
Question about replacing my shifter cables on my 5 speed saturn turbobuick33 S-Series General 2 01-21-2006 11:29 AM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:38 PM.

Advanced Forum Search | Advanced Photo Search


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SaturnFans.com. The Saturn Enthusiasts Site.