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Old 11-12-2010, 09:47 PM   #1
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Default 4 high beam mod need help

I followed the diagram that wolfman posted...http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9617

I have a 1999 Saturn SL. I am using 2 relays but apparently I dont have the wires hooked up right because the lights all work as oem

Does anyone who has done this mod have the relay numbers corresponding with wolfman's diagram?

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Old 11-12-2010, 11:17 PM   #2
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Look at post #16 in the thread you referenced. The 2 right hand terminals on both relays are the coil, pins 85 and 86. The 2 left hand pins are 30 and 87. The numbers are on the bottom next to the pins.

You are using the diagram in post #15, right?

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Old 11-13-2010, 11:35 AM   #3
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Yes, I used diagram as in post #15

I did have it hooked up right per post #16. However, using the brown parking light wire(on with lights on) it all operated as oem! I tested with all lights off, if I pulled on the headlight stalk all 4 headlights would be on. Seemed parking light was canceling low beams on with high beams.
What is happening here?
I changed the parking light wire to black and now I get high/low on at the same time.

However, I have NO drls even with everything unhooked, I checked in my haynes manual and it shows drl is fused inside the car's fuse panel, (ign 1) 10amp fuse, which is good Is it possible that I fried the drl relay?

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Old 11-13-2010, 01:29 PM   #4
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With it all unhooked verify that both high beam and low beam lights come on when the stalk switch is turned to lights and the hi/lo switch is actuated. IF the BRAKE light is on the DRLs are off. IIRC DRL also is off when parking is on or thinks it is on. It is also possible to kill the DRL relay.

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Old 11-13-2010, 01:47 PM   #5
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Whether you complicated the wiring or miswired it, here's the main wiring schematic for DRL's. Study it carefully as I cannot vouch for the accuracy.

My L300 service manual states the same description, using the high beams in series for DRLs but is wrong, in text and wiring schematic; mine uses the low beam projector lamps as DRLs and I confirmed it (many times ) standing in front switching from DRL to manual low beam and then to high beam, even pointing at a wall. The basic DRL concept is correct, to cleverly wire whatever lamps are used in series for DRL use to reduce current use while prolonging lamp life and then switching to parallel wiring for full power/full current in normal night lighting.
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Old 11-13-2010, 03:16 PM   #6
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I hate DRLs, I disabled mine before I did the quad mod. So, maybe that's why I followed the diagram exactly, and it worked for me.

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Old 11-13-2010, 04:13 PM   #7
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Default Re: 4 high beam mod need help

As for DRLs, I like to be seen in a small car.

Here is what I have
* #1 relay terminal 87 which is at the top left of Wolfman's diagram.
* #2 relay terminal 86 which is at the top right of Wolfman's diagram.
* #3 relay terminal 85 which is at the bottom right of Wolfman's diagram.
* #4 relay terminal 30 which is at the bottom left of Wolfman's diagram.

I verified ALL lights work when everything is unhooked. (Park brake was on, why DRL wasn't working with everything unhooked)

Here is what is happening: with the wire to relay #2 hooked to parking light "brown wire" (on with lights on) Low beams turn off when high beams are switch on. DRL don't stay on (when ign key is turned on, I hear a couple relay clicks, see the DRL icon in the dash for a 1/2 second then DRLs turn off)

If I hook parking light wire to black, low beams work and all headlights on with high beams but same thing happens to DRLs

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Old 11-13-2010, 05:14 PM   #8
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I wired it with 1 relay like the non-DRL cars and high/low come on together. DRL still clicks relays for 1/2 second then off, when ign key is turn on. I just pulled the underhood DRL relay and will operate with 1 relay (like non-DRL cars) until someone can give me a reason why DRLs aren't working with 2 relays?

Note: with brown (like wolfman's diagram) parking wire hooked to relay, relay clicks when parking lights are turn on. With black parking wire hooked to relay, relay does not click when parking lights are turned on.

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Old 11-14-2010, 08:30 PM   #9
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I monkeyed around with it all day today and have come to the conclusion that my DRLs will not work with quad beams.

I also tried this mod on my 2000 Chevy Blazer (also has high beam DRLs) It did everything my Saturn did. I read and read and read on the S-10/Blazer forums. No one has ever been successful doing a quad beam with DRLs enabled on these trucks plus AHL(automatic headlights) screws you also. Much easier to buy a nice set of driving lights...

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Old 11-15-2010, 10:01 AM   #10
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Default Re: 4 high beam mod need help

So the verdict is you cannot have DRL with 4 highbeam mod?

Big deal... which is better? Actually being able to see at night, or some dinky faint glow from the front of your car during daytime?

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Old 11-15-2010, 11:43 AM   #11
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Yeah, just get some HIDs and blind everyone, haha

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Old 11-15-2010, 02:15 PM   #12
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Personally, I like cars to have some "indicator" lighting during the day. As a bicyclist, I notice that I see vehicles with some sort of indicator lighting in my mirror way sooner, and can better judge their distance and speed of approach. I just think most DRL implementations are really stupid. The half-bright high-beams just look tacky, and burn up hours on your second-most expensive bulbs. And that deal with a lot of GM cars, that use the high-watt filament of the front park/turn bulbs, and then have to feed it through the turn signal so it blinks off (like the '60s-vintage old-school combined stop/turn lighting on cheapo American cars) is just annoying, and another potential electrical rabbit-hole. I usu. just drive with the parking lights on, so there's at least some indicator lighting glowing 360 degrees. You could do the same, if your four-light mod has disabled the DRLs.

The only advantage to DRLs is that they go off without the key. A separate headlight switch position, that would light the parking lights, but be dependent on an ACC or RUN fuse (rather than always hot), would do the same thing. Enterprising sedan owners could possibly fab something like this out of a lever combination switch from a gen-1 SC2, re-purposing the "DOOR" (flip-up) position on the headlight switch.

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Old 01-07-2011, 11:52 PM   #13
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So is the final verdict that you have to sacrifice the DRLs in order to implement the quadbeam? They're legally mandated up here in Canada, so I'd rather not deactivate them. I also couldn't quite tell from Wolfman's thread whether the instructions would work for my 3rd gen SW2. Ever since I saw that my mother's Corolla has quadbeam highs by default, I've been hoping to implement it on my car.

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Old 01-30-2011, 01:11 PM   #14
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Why don't you just turn your headlights on every time you turn your car on? Then you don't have to worry about the DRL's not working..

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Why don't you just turn your headlights on every time you turn your car on? Then you don't have to worry about the DRL's not working..
Not to mention with the low beams actually on, so are the parking lights & the car is much more visible then with just the DRL's.

Don't remember disabling DRL's on a '97 SC2 but I had all 6 forward lights on at the same time without a problem so maybe I disabled 'em at a different time.
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instead of connecting the wire to the parking circuit splice it in with the highbeam ground wire.

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Whether you complicated the wiring or miswired it, here's the main wiring schematic for DRL's. Study it carefully as I cannot vouch for the accuracy.

My L300 service manual states the same description, using the high beams in series for DRLs but is wrong, in text and wiring schematic; mine uses the low beam projector lamps as DRLs and I confirmed it (many times ) standing in front switching from DRL to manual low beam and then to high beam, even pointing at a wall. The basic DRL concept is correct, to cleverly wire whatever lamps are used in series for DRL use to reduce current use while prolonging lamp life and then switching to parallel wiring for full power/full current in normal night lighting.
Do these colors represent + and -? I was going to do this tomorrow and plan to slice into my HID headlight balasts instead of the car

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2000sl1blue, please don't assume your '01 has the same DRL circuit as the one posted for a '99 SL. PM me an email address, include your car stats so I know which wiring diagrams to send.

Be aware that any series wired DRL lighting system will not power HID lights correctly. The exception is DRLs using high beams (non HID lights) without affecting low beam wiring where its presumed HID lights are added. All HID lights require 12 volts, in a parallel wired circuit as in normal night headlights. If you decide to use HID lights, you may or may not lose DRL capability, depending on DRL wiring configuration.

And not to discourage anyone but merely pointing out the realities of HID lighting; HID lights cannot be used in conventional reflector light housings. HID lighting requires a projector light housing, the smaller diameter lens seen on many cars, seemingly impossible to throw out better lighting. Projector light housings have a metal cutoff plate inside to eliminate the upper beam from blinding opposing traffic. Without this cutoff plate, the projector housing simply becomes a high beam. Using HID lights in reflector light housings simply creates a high beam to blind everyone.

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2000sl1blue, please don't assume your '01 has the same DRL circuit as the one posted for a '99 SL. PM me an email address, include your car stats so I know which wiring diagrams to send.

Be aware that any series wired DRL lighting system will not power HID lights correctly. The exception is DRLs using high beams (non HID lights) without affecting low beam wiring where its presumed HID lights are added. All HID lights require 12 volts, in a parallel wired circuit as in normal night headlights. If you decide to use HID lights, you may or may not lose DRL capability, depending on DRL wiring configuration.

And not to discourage anyone but merely pointing out the realities of HID lighting; HID lights cannot be used in conventional reflector light housings. HID lighting requires a projector light housing, the smaller diameter lens seen on many cars, seemingly impossible to throw out better lighting. Projector light housings have a metal cutoff plate inside to eliminate the upper beam from blinding opposing traffic. Without this cutoff plate, the projector housing simply becomes a high beam. Using HID lights in reflector light housings simply creates a high beam to blind everyone.
I didn't see this in time, but I had already disabled my DRL's via the fuse when I bought the car. I successfully wired my quad beam with 4 HID. It's amazing in my back country roads here. I do wish I had projectors however.

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