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Old 11-07-2010, 09:11 PM   #1
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Default Full Synthetic oil or Synthetic blend???

I use synthetic blend in my 98 SL,have since I got it even though it was at 105K. I've heard there are cons to using full synthetic,but been so long i don't remember what they are. Hoping I can get some advice as to using full synthetic on my Vue,it's due for an oil change. Should I change gradually to the full Synthetic, using the blend first this oil change,or can i just use the full synthetic now.

Is it also not necessary to use any type of synthetic seeing there are over 100kmiles? should I just use a higher mileage regular oil? Thanks in advance for the advice.

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Old 11-07-2010, 09:18 PM   #2
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Default Re: Full Synthetic oil or Synthetic blend???

The only "cons" I can think of for synthetic oil is that it is more expensive and sometimes, in rare situations, it can cause an engine to appear to suddenly start burning oil. The reason for this is that the additives in the synthetic can loosen up stuck on particles and cause some oil blow by. Again, this is pretty rare and if your truck was properly maintained in the past, this shouldn't be an issue.

I also don't see any advantage to slowly introducing it at this point. Truth be told, a high quality, high mileage oil will probably work just as well for you at this point. I personally like the little extra protection that the synthetic brings on. Probably more in my mind than anything.

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Old 11-07-2010, 09:45 PM   #3
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Just did the first oil change in the '07 since I bought it, and went with Mobil1 5-20.

I plan on running it going forward.

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Old 11-08-2010, 05:30 AM   #4
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Use plain or synthetic without regard to vehicle age as virtually all vehicles can accomodate either oil. The choice to use either or half and half is strictly up to you as you determine when to change and how much money to spend. A vehicle that's broken in is set and usually won't change drastically just because of switching oil. The real advantage of synthetics is to extend oil change intervals otherwise its wasted money for very little gain over good oil being used. No one will stick their neck out to recommend what oil change interval to use, leaving an individual to determine what's best. Even when using oil analysis and the report saying oil can be used beyond the recommended oci, many don't wish to experiment so remain with outdated 3k oci's. Europeans laugh at American antiquated oci's..............

I decided on synthetic and modified oci's for personal reasons. I won't know for another 50k-100k miles. I'm currently at 56k miles and used M-1 oil since 12k miles when I bought my car. No oil use so far, not even 1/4 qt when replacing the oil filter at the OLM's 6k reminder (virtually all city driving).

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Old 11-08-2010, 07:53 AM   #5
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In the past five years I've had 3 cars with close to or a little over 100k miles and the first thing I do is change the oil to synthetic, and I've never experienced any negative results.

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Old 11-08-2010, 09:25 AM   #6
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So what are the typical OCI for most that are using a syn-blend or full synthetic?

I have been running same synthetic blend in my ford for ~80k miles and just switched to a full synthetic. I was changing the syn-blend at around 5k miles

Does anyone else remember when oil filters were only changed at every other oil change?? I have not heard that in years.

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Old 11-08-2010, 11:31 AM   #7
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Use Valvoline Max-Life (synthetic blend). This has been the best performer in my '03 V6 (3.0L). I'm changing between 3 and 4K miles (about 6 mo.) and I signed up for the Valvoline engine guarantee plan. I have used Mobil 1 in the past along with Royal Purple and I like the Max Life best. I'm using several indicators to make my judgement; amount of sludge deposited in the filter housing cap, valve train noise on cold start-up, general engine noise at first start-up after the change along with time for low oil pressure light to go off; consumption; leaks; and lastly, appearance and 'feel'. The Max Life (5W30 for my engine) has excelled in every category. I previously was annoyed by valve train ticking at start-up and the first thing I noticed about the Max Life was that went away immediately. I've never noticed any oil consumption with this VUE. Over time it has developed a small leak from I think the front seal, but it's not enough to drip - just have some oil on the front half of the oil pan. The Max Life is supposed to assist with oil leaks. Sludge in the filter cap was annoying but now it does not form. The engine is quiet even after changing the oil and filter while the oil light is on, and it turns off faster than before. The oil just looks better and feels more slippery. At oil change time it is still transparent when looking at a film, such as what might be on the dipstick that splashed above the indicators.
So, I really can't see how this oil could be improved on by using any full synthetic, at least for my application. Possibly for those who put 6000 miles or more on in six months, the longer drain interval possible with full-synthetic would be a plus, but six months should be the limit.

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Old 11-08-2010, 12:05 PM   #8
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Default Re: Full Synthetic oil or Synthetic blend???

I just use Mobil 1 "fully" synthetic oil in the 5 qt jugs from Wal-Mart. I say "fully" synthetic because that's what's on the bottle's label, but many years ago, Mobil started using a synthetic blend and kept selling it as fully synthetic.

I true full synthetic oil will cost about $10/qt.

And speaking of Wal-Mart, I've been told by some good sources who work by the BG Products company, that Wal-Mart brand synthetic oil is actually pretty good- it ranks like #3 on their list, and it's pretty inexpensive. The reason is that because Wal-Mart buys/sells so much oil (oil change facilities) that they get a pretty big discount on it and with the high volume of quick lube customers, they don't want to use poor quality oil and risk tons of unhappy customers.

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Old 11-08-2010, 01:49 PM   #9
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I just use Mobil 1 "fully" synthetic oil in the 5 qt jugs from Wal-Mart. I say "fully" synthetic because that's what's on the bottle's label, but many years ago, Mobil started using a synthetic blend and kept selling it as fully synthetic.

I true full synthetic oil will cost about $10/qt.

And speaking of Wal-Mart, I've been told by some good sources who work by the BG Products company, that Wal-Mart brand synthetic oil is actually pretty good- it ranks like #3 on their list, and it's pretty inexpensive. The reason is that because Wal-Mart buys/sells so much oil (oil change facilities) that they get a pretty big discount on it and with the high volume of quick lube customers, they don't want to use poor quality oil and risk tons of unhappy customers.
I've also been reading that Walmart Super-tech synthetic,is made by Quaker state. Maybe some opinions here on Walmart oils? I use it on my 95 sub,and my now retired escort wagon. The 02neon here is on full syn,and the SL syn/blend,but not Walmart brands. I don't think there is any difference in feel or noise or oil color for that matter,just like the further intervals for the oil changes. Mobil is also $22 a 5 quart jug,and have both Saturns to do.

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Old 11-08-2010, 04:26 PM   #10
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Quaker State is owned by Pennzoil.

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I should also add that because of fluctuating oil prices I have used Walmart and Quaker State synthetic oil. Since I'm not a NASCAR racer needing fresh oil and a change at the end of the day and my car's just a daily driver, I'll use whatever synthetic is on sale to keep costs reasonable while maximizing oil useage. This is my choice to use good synthetic oil in extended oci's and not an endorsment or recommending this to anyone not willing to consider using extended oci's.

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Old 11-08-2010, 10:38 PM   #12
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Use Valvoline Max-Life (synthetic blend). This has been the best performer in my '03 V6 (3.0L). I'm changing between 3 and 4K miles (about 6 mo.) and I signed up for the Valvoline engine guarantee plan. I have used Mobil 1 in the past along with Royal Purple and I like the Max Life best. I'm using several indicators to make my judgement; amount of sludge deposited in the filter housing cap, valve train noise on cold start-up, general engine noise at first start-up after the change along with time for low oil pressure light to go off; consumption; leaks; and lastly, appearance and 'feel'. The Max Life (5W30 for my engine) has excelled in every category. I previously was annoyed by valve train ticking at start-up and the first thing I noticed about the Max Life was that went away immediately. I've never noticed any oil consumption with this VUE. Over time it has developed a small leak from I think the front seal, but it's not enough to drip - just have some oil on the front half of the oil pan. The Max Life is supposed to assist with oil leaks. Sludge in the filter cap was annoying but now it does not form. The engine is quiet even after changing the oil and filter while the oil light is on, and it turns off faster than before. The oil just looks better and feels more slippery. At oil change time it is still transparent when looking at a film, such as what might be on the dipstick that splashed above the indicators.
So, I really can't see how this oil could be improved on by using any full synthetic, at least for my application. Possibly for those who put 6000 miles or more on in six months, the longer drain interval possible with full-synthetic would be a plus, but six months should be the limit.
The Valvoline Max Life is what I have been using in my SL for almost 4 years now. I decided that I am happy with how my SL performs,and it doesn't leak or burn too much.It is an S-series,so the burning is expected, but 7 months since the last oil change and it is only down a qt. The Walmart super center had the 5qt for $16,so I couldn't pass that up. I usually use fram filters,and have read about the controversies of them,and i have used them for 10 years without a problem, but I went with the Fram high mileage filter as opposed to the extra guard. This one has time released oil renewal, has an additive in the filter to prevent oil from breaking down. They're both over 100k so figured I'd try them out.

I read somewhere that it's not a good idea to just jump from regular oil to full synthetic,i think something to do with seals..it's been awhile,and I wish i remember where I read it. Also if switching to full,to use the blend first. I can read more by next oil changes if I want to go with something else.

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The real advantage of synthetics is to extend oil change intervals otherwise its wasted money for very little gain over good oil being used.
This is the main reason I went to synthetic oil. We got our 2002 Vue in July with 69,000 miles on it. I went straight to the Mobil 1 Extended Performance, which is "good" up to 1 year or 15,000 miles. I'll probably be changing it twice a year due to the amount of miles I drive (78,000 now). But it still saves me some $ and time.

I could not find a Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filter for the Vue, so I went with the K&N HP-7001.

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For insurance against oil filtration issues when choosing extended oil changes, it might be advantageous to replace the oil filter at 7k miles (half the 15k miles if choosing 15k as the interval for oil change). I would hedge a bit as I think filters may not hold up to 15k miles of continuous filtration. What do you think? This way you can use a run of the mill standard oil filter without worries.

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For insurance against oil filtration issues when choosing extended oil changes, it might be advantageous to replace the oil filter at 7k miles (half the 15k miles if choosing 15k as the interval for oil change). I would hedge a bit as I think filters may not hold up to 15k miles of continuous filtration. What do you think? This way you can use a run of the mill standard oil filter without worries.
I agree. I had thought about doing just that because I had looked into the Mobil 1 Extended Performance oil filters and the Fram Xtended Guard, but they don't have them for the 02 Vue.

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For insurance against oil filtration issues when choosing extended oil changes, it might be advantageous to replace the oil filter at 7k miles (half the 15k miles if choosing 15k as the interval for oil change). I would hedge a bit as I think filters may not hold up to 15k miles of continuous filtration. What do you think? This way you can use a run of the mill standard oil filter without worries.
I have been running my '06 with Mobil 1 extended from day one. Change the oil every 15000; the filters every 5000 until 60k miles. Sent a filter in at 60K for an analysis. Analysis showed that the filter media itself was physically breaking down. The oil itself was fine; particulates were 50ppm, no trace of carbon build up. Now I change the filter every 3-4k miles due to filter breakdown.

Using standard Purolator/Fram cotton fiber filters, which ever one is one sale at the auto store/ Wal-Mart.

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Oil change interval is more important than the type of oil, but I also use Mobil1 in every 4 cycle engine I own. I used Mobil1 exclusively in my 2003 V6 Vue and still had to replace the engine at 105,000 miles when it lost oil pressure to the top end, maybe the entire engine. Suddenly started making loud lifter noise and performance dropped way off. It was too expensive do a post mortum on. Saturn replaced it with a used engine with 22k miles for $4,000.

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I run Mobile 1 and either purolator PureONE or a Mobile 1 / K&N Filter on both our Vue and my 06 Grandprix.

In regards to cons and myths about Synthetic oils causing leaks and increased oil burning, MANY people run Mobil 1 and other synthetics in 1920s\30s Ford Model As. I have been working on a 1930 Model A at work and have spent hours and hours learning things, talking to people and this is constantly argued about. Many model A engine builders recommend full synthetic, typically 15W50.

You can also mix Synthetic and conventional oil, although its not the best thing it causes no harm. In regards to synthetic "breaking things loose" I know many guys who have dumped Mobile 1 into an 80 year old engine that never had detergent oil in it and nothing "broke loose". It typically will slowly absorb some of the sludge over time but its so slow most guys drop pans and start washing by hand .

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Just a warning on MaxLife. I was using any conventional oil in my last vehicle and changing at 3000 with a super clean motor up to 75000 miles then with all the positives reviews with MaxLife 7500 I figured I would give it a try. Well by 90000 I started seeing slight oil usage (thought normal) and some seepage. Didn't think to much about it then valve cover gasket starting leaking. Looking into cap I could see sludge building up on valve train. I went from 3000 to 5000 which put oil changes at 9 months with MaxLIfe instead of 6 months. Motor bit the dust at 98000 from head crack from stretched head bolts which is common in this motor. 2.5 GM iron duke. I then bought the Vue put MaxLife in Vue 2.2 and oil leak started from back of head where distributor would normally go and valve train noise at start up was to much. I tried Mobil Clean 5000 and valve train noise is less but still there. I will be trying Pennzoil Yellow bottle on next oil change and yes I am doing 3000 mile oil changes almost 6 months. Almost 90000 on Vue don't want to have problems with oil. Mother has 2005 Chrysler 300 with 2.7 sludge known motor with 100000 miles never ran anything but Pennzoil Yellow bottle since she bought it at 35000 miles and was told that oil light at idle was do to sludge build up. Looked at top half of motor and clean as a new one. Changed the oil pressure sensor and no light and no noises even at idle that is why I couldn't think motor was sludged up. Oh and no oil leaks now that sensor is changed. Oil was changed at 3000 mile intervals.

Scary to have to replace motor at 105000 with mobil1. My family generally gets well over 150000 on conventional oil. Brothers truck has 245000 never opened up. Any conventional oil on sell changed at 3000 which is about a month and a half.

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With all due respect tiger862, you will find running anything from supermarket brand oil to the best oil in existence none of them would cause the problems you listed. Oils are not different enough to suddenly cause a huge problems within 10,000 miles.

You said you found sludge, a leaking valvecover gasket and a cracked head and blamed it on the oil? I would blame all of the problems on a cracked head my self.

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