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Old 01-26-2003, 08:28 PM   #1
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Question Would You Buy a Saturn Built Without Polymer Body Panels?

Rumors have indicated for quite some time that future Saturns, especially those built outside of Saturn's Spring Hill plant, would be built without polymer body side panels. Now some are saying that the next generation ION and VUE due out in 2008-09 will have steel bodies as well.

Would you buy a Saturn built without polymer body panels?

Please explain your position.

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Old 01-26-2003, 09:17 PM   #2
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That's the main reason I bought it so it won't rust and dent. Without that its just another car I'd probably buy a VW.

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Old 01-26-2003, 09:32 PM   #3
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The only Saturn I'd buy without polymer would have to have some seriously insane power, AWD, six speed manual transmission, and styling that would make Pininfarina cry with joy. Add to that awesome build quality, beautiful fit, finish, and interior materials, and oh yeah, it'll have to cost three dollars.

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Old 01-26-2003, 09:48 PM   #4
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that's the one defining characteristic in Saturn's that's left. I don't think besides the VUE that the vehicles are unique anymore except for the body panels. that's the main reason why i bought my '94 SL2...it looks like nothing else and has plastic panels

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Old 01-26-2003, 10:36 PM   #5
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Default Not a chance.

I like a ding free car & the safety that the subframe offers as well. If I wanted a steel car, I'd have one.

The polymer is Saturn's main competitive edge over the dealership experience. The car lasts for years the dealership experience is only an afternoon here and again. Absent the polymer, there would be no reason to buy one.

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Old 01-26-2003, 11:08 PM   #6
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I like Saturns because they are light. At 2450lbs, I have one of the lightest wagons you can buy. I think that way too many cars these days are getting fat (a 2700lb ION disgusts me). Polymer panels make the Saturn weigh less, plus they did save me about $2k in bodywork when I turned my wagon on its side ($60 damage). Not only that, but if you switch to metal panels, then Saturn will stray from the spaceframe construction, and more toward a normal unibody where there is not nearly as much strength, and crashworthyness (that a word?).

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Old 01-26-2003, 11:14 PM   #7
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i have to say just abbout the same thing as THX712517. if it didint, it better make up for it in the power of the car

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Old 01-27-2003, 12:12 AM   #8
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i think the polymer is one of the best ideas going...it's lightweight, hence the better gas mileage and better weight to hp ratio that makes us kick ass, they're dent resistant, easy to remove and replace for body work, and not to mention that the steel business hates us b/c if all cars were to switch to this breakthrough ideal that it would run them practically broke...just a few thoughts

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Old 01-27-2003, 01:04 AM   #9
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No.

It's what make's Saturn, well Saturn.

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Old 01-27-2003, 01:22 AM   #10
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The car would definately have to make it up in power if it went to steal. I love the looks of saturns, and I love the polymer. And I know I don't have the most powerful car out there.

But if you take away my polymer, you better give me content somewhere else for me to spend money on the car.

I really home high GM execs read this. But not that they would care.

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Old 01-27-2003, 09:21 AM   #11
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In the end, history will remember Saturn as the experiment that FAILED if polymer and no haggle go away. Even the unique UAW-Saturn labor agreement is gone.
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Old 01-27-2003, 09:32 AM   #12
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I'm also with THX712517 -- the only way I'd buy a Saturn without polymer is if it's the exact car I want, and world-class to boot. If the next generation L-Series is going to be steel bodied, it had better put class leaders like the Accord, Camry and Passat to such complete and utter shame that the head honchos of those companies run up the white flag and commit mass suicide, and have Car magazines crawling on their hands and knees to Spring Hill (and the homes of every Saturn owner) to beg forgiveness for every single bad thing they ever wrote about Saturn. If not, no deal.

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Old 01-27-2003, 10:19 AM   #13
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I'm the first one to vote yes to buying a saturn without polymer panels. It wouldn't be as agood a car, but I still would consider it. I didn't buy my Saturn to be different myself (I already am), or to buy from a different kind of company. I want the best car. Sometimes that means subtle differences like picking the best parts from the parts bin of the largest manufacturer in the world.

Does any one know how much extra polymer costs/car or for that matter how much extra the 30 day warranty costs? Just interested

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Old 01-27-2003, 10:20 AM   #14
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a saturn without plastic body panels is not a saturn. no thanks. it's bad enough the ion is 300 lbs heavier than the s-series that it replaced, has no rear discs available and it doesn't have a fully independant rear suspension. gm would be stupid to drop the polymer panels. what's next? pushrods? carburetors? leaf springs?

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Old 01-27-2003, 10:27 AM   #15
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a saturn without plastic body panels is not a saturn. nwhat's next? pushrods? ?
There was an engineering report out of the Detroit auto show that said GM was deffinetly going away from OHC engines.

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Old 01-27-2003, 11:59 AM   #16
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I pretty much agree with most of what's been said here. If the polymer panels disappear, it's just another sign that Saturn is dead. How can anyone argue otherwise? Like Saturnmeister said in another thread, there are no real Saturns anymore, just typical GM crap dragging Saturn's good name through the mud.

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Old 01-27-2003, 12:00 PM   #17
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Originally posted by ProDarwin
Not only that, but if you switch to metal panels, then Saturn will stray from the spaceframe construction, and more toward a normal unibody where there is not nearly as much strength, and crashworthyness (that a word?).
Yep, that's a word, spelled crashworthiness, though!

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Old 01-27-2003, 12:36 PM   #18
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Polymer, its a must. I have seen people in parking lots bang my doors and even one guy got his drivers door stuck on my passenger door when he opened his door from inside his car with extreme force causing it bind, but zero damage I just had to buff off his paint left behind on my door. Not to mention the runaway shoping cart in parking lots.

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Let's hope GM is paying attention...

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Old 01-27-2003, 07:34 PM   #20
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Polymer is the last thing Saturn has going for it right now. If GM does away with the polymer panels, they might as well put a Chevy bowtie on the car instead. A steel-bodied Saturn would have to exceed Japanese and European benchmarks in quality (especially with relation to price) to be worthy of consideration.


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