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Old 07-28-2010, 05:45 PM   #1
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I recently acquired a 2001 SC2 with a non-functioning sunroof. I researched my options and came up with the following:

Replace with a junkyard sunroof - I tested about 10 jy sunroofs and non worked
Replace with a saturn OEM module - ~$800
Replace with a rebuilt module from the sunroof doctor - ~$400.

Those all didn't seem too practical since I spent $700 on the car, so I kept looking.

I then came across a guy named Jeff Weston who rebuilds the modules to include an aluminum guide. I asked around saturnfans and no one had any experience with him. I talked to him and found out that he's a saturn fan and also a CNC programmer/machinist. He tackled the problem of weak plastic parts by manufacturing aluminum replacement parts and has sold several modules. I introduced myself as a member of the saturnfans community and asked if he'd send me a module in exchange for reviewing it. He agreed and below is my review and how-to for installing his rebuilt sunroof module.

He charges around $200 for his rebuilt modules, including shipping, plus a $50 core charge that he'll refund when he gets your old module back. He includes everything you'll need to get the job done, along with a replacement rear dome light for when you break yours trying to remove it. He also includes a return shipping label for your core. Payment and core refunds are made through paypal and his info is:

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Old 07-28-2010, 06:05 PM   #2
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NICE video!!

Couple of questions:

1. Did you leave the rubber seal around the sunroof in (this is the seal that runs the interior around) ?

2. Does Jeff Weston only do 2nd/3rd Gen cars, or does he have first gen sunroofs as well?

3. You mentioned 4 drain tubes; I see the 2 you mentioned at the front, the others are at the rear of the sunroof?

4. How did you find out about Jeff Weston and that he replaced sunroofs?

5. Will you post a video water test? I'm interested in seeing test results from a water test.

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Old 07-28-2010, 06:46 PM   #3
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Bryan -

I did leave the seal in place.
I think he only does 2nd and 3rd gens.
The other two drain tubes are at the rear of the module - you can't miss them.
I found Jeff's ad on SF and posted this tread:
http://www.saturnfans.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=156490 asking if anyone had bought from.

For the water test I just sprayed the hose all around the sunroof and then checked inside for water.

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Old 07-28-2010, 07:07 PM   #4
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Thank you Shawn for doing this fabulous video. You have given me the courage to do mine now too.

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Old 07-28-2010, 11:37 PM   #5
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Good job Shawn!

Could you ask him for the rest of us if he does or will work on 1st gens?

One thing I do every year now is clean the old crud out of the sunroof track, and put fresh new grease in, so the guide will slide easily in the track.

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Old 07-28-2010, 11:43 PM   #6
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Thank you Shawn for the review and great video. Your time and efforts will help me improve the product I offer for other SATURN Fans.
I do only do 2nd and 3rd gen cars.
96 up SL
97 up SC
I looked in to fixing the older ones at a posters request but the first gen are WAY over-engineerd and won't be tackling them any time soon. I have been told however that replacement parts are available from SATURN without buying the whole module. I did not check the validity of this however.
I will be updating the ad to provide a little more info and make ordering easier for those who are interested.

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Old 07-29-2010, 12:13 AM   #7
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Thanks Jeff, curious what aspect of the 1st gen sunroof is over-engineered.

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Old 07-29-2010, 08:34 AM   #8
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Old 07-29-2010, 09:17 AM   #9
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Default Re: Review: Rebuilt sunroof module & how-to

I'm also curious about the 'over-engineered' aspect of the 1st-gen sunroof module. Isn't it almost the same design between 1st/2nd/3rd-gen?

Add me to the list of people who'd be interested if you started offering the 1G part(s).

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Old 07-29-2010, 09:20 PM   #10
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Where to begin on the first gen? The part that performs the same function as the pieces I machine is twice the size and three times as intricate. I make the 2nd,3rd gen parts in three machining operations. When looking at the 1st gen I couldn't think of a way to do it in less than five. From the factory, they're a molded plastic piece as we all know so size, shape, protrusions and depressions are not really a big concern. When it comes to machining all of the same details those features can become a headache fast. It addition the countours (arcs and curves) on the 2nd 3rd gen were proud (outside) so they were easy to measure and duplicate. Almost all of the curves that control glass lift and lower are slots in the 1st gen. I'd have to have a few hours on the digitizer to trace and duplicate them.

There are more parts that fail in the 1st gen also. The first one I took apart had three different pieces that were broken. This doesn't include the spring loaded lift assist "pistons" that were gummed up and stuck.

Lastly, a few rivets on the 2nd and 3rd gen and you can have a module apart. I spent almost as much time taking apart the 1st gen module as it takes me to rebuild the newer module.

Long story short, if someone really wanted a 1st gen done, I could do it but it will be close to or more than what they want for replacment parts wich I hear is around $400 dollars complete. Sure, my parts would be aluminum, but not many people are willing to spend 4-500$ on a car that may only book for that much now.

Does anyone here have pictures of a 1st gen module apart? I threw my modules away. Maybe I'll catch another one this weekend and take pics for examples...

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Jeff, your module swap looks really good, I don't think you'll have any trouble selling them here!

In my case I have a 2001 SC2, and my sunroof has never worked since I bought the car 3 years ago. I recently discovered that the previous owner has removed the motor, and God only knows what else. The glass panel appears to be silicone'd in place. I'm very interested in acquiring one of your kits, but I obviously don't have a complete core to return to you. Can we still work something out on the price, or will I just be trashing my old parts and eating the core charge?

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Old 08-01-2010, 12:17 AM   #12
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welll after 3 years without the sunroof not working it was time to do something...The rear drain hose came off and was making a pond of the car every time it rained..so this was the weekend to drop the headlliner and at least get the hose put back on...Lold and behold this thread popped up and I thought why not just replace the module while I was there..Heck the price sure sounded right..So I got ahold of jeff and met him in the K.C. area where I got the the replacement module....Well eight bolts later and six screws the unit is in and working...Wasnt a bad job and really kinda fun since I had my daughter in there wrenching with me..Pricelessss..One Satty down now one more to go...Thanks Jeff for meeting me and Ill get back to you to give you the broken core..Doug

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Looks great.. I will go this route if my junkyard sunroof fails. haha

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Jeff, your module swap looks really good, I don't think you'll have any trouble selling them here!

In my case I have a 2001 SC2, and my sunroof has never worked since I bought the car 3 years ago. I recently discovered that the previous owner has removed the motor, and God only knows what else. The glass panel appears to be silicone'd in place. I'm very interested in acquiring one of your kits, but I obviously don't have a complete core to return to you. Can we still work something out on the price, or will I just be trashing my old parts and eating the core charge?
I'll be happy to work with you on the core and glass. As long as the plastic at the front of the "frame" is not broken I'll take your old one and refund $13 less for the motor. I can also sell you a glass for $10 plus separate shipping. I tried one time and one time only to ship a module with the glass attached and part of a lift arm broke in transit... so I had to ship another module and eat the costs.
If you're still interested, we can do just a regular module purchase and I can take the cost for the glass and shipping out of your remaining core so you don't have to put any extra money up front. Depending on where you live, you'll probably have enough core refund left to get lunch maybe?
You'll find I'm flexible.
Thanks for the inquiry.
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welll after 3 years without the sunroof not working it was time to do something...The rear drain hose came off and was making a pond of the car every time it rained..so this was the weekend to drop the headlliner and at least get the hose put back on...Lold and behold this thread popped up and I thought why not just replace the module while I was there..Heck the price sure sounded right..So I got ahold of jeff and met him in the K.C. area where I got the the replacement module....Well eight bolts later and six screws the unit is in and working...Wasnt a bad job and really kinda fun since I had my daughter in there wrenching with me..Pricelessss..One Satty down now one more to go...Thanks Jeff for meeting me and Ill get back to you to give you the broken core..Doug
Thanks again for the purchase and feedback!
I'll see you the next trip down to get parts and pick up that core.
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Looks great.. I will go this route if my junkyard sunroof fails. haha

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I think almost anyone will tell you, it's not IFbut when. Heck, I took a working module out of my daughters 97 SC just to avoid the hassle of rushing to get it closed once it finally did break.
I have shipped one module to Canada and shipping was pretty pricey so we worked around the need to ship back the core.

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I think almost anyone will tell you, it's not IFbut when. Heck, I took a working module out of my daughters 97 SC just to avoid the hassle of rushing to get it closed once it finally did break.
I have shipped one module to Canada and shipping was pretty pricey so we worked around the need to ship back the core.
Oh for sure I agree... For now my sunroof is working good. I keep it lubricated and it's opening and closing just fine. Also no leaks. It's a miracle!

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Hi Jeff, thanks for the response!

After seeing your reply I went out and had a brief look at my car.
From what I can see the previous owner just removed the motor, and stuffed the cables up into the ceiling, the squirted silicone on the outside surface of the glass panel seal, everything else appears to be intact.
To make a long story short, I don't think I will need a new glass panel, just the module. Discounting $13 from the core refund for the cost of a new motor seems like a bargain to me.
You were saying that you once shipped a rebuilt unit to Canada...Do you recall what the shipping cost was? I know all of the major shipping companies all grin ear to ear when the get a package coming here....After all, I am only a 2.5 hour drive to Buffalo, NY and everyone knows that the Big 3 shippers never send packages there...

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Just purchased a 99 SC2 with a malfunctioning sunroof and I think this video has given me enough courage to replace it with Jeff's module.

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Just purchased a 99 SC2 with a malfunctioning sunroof and I think this video has given me enough courage to replace it with Jeff's module.
Go for it, and if you have any trouble just post your problem up here and someone will solve it quickly. I'm still enjoying my "new" sunroof.

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