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Old 04-17-2010, 02:57 PM   #1
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Default 2000 SL2 Timing Chain/Belt

Hello,

I've got a 2000 Saturn sl2. It is approaching 100,000 miles. I've been reading about timing chains/belts with with this model. It wasn't quite clear if it has a chain or a belt.

It sounded like if it has a chain it does not need to be changed at 100,000 miles. But if it has a belt it does need to be changed at about 100,000 miles.

Is this correct?


I previously has a 1993 sc2 and never changed the belt at 100,000...I had it until about 130,000 miles.

Thanks


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Old 04-17-2010, 03:28 PM   #2
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S cars have chains that should last the life of the engine

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Old 04-17-2010, 03:51 PM   #3
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S cars have chains that should last the life of the engine
Just to add. It should last the life of the car as long as the oil was regularly changed every 3000-5000 miles and not let to run low.

If you cant say that it has for certain, then pretty soon is the time to start listening for odd tapping noises coming from under the left side of the valve cover.

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Old 04-17-2010, 06:26 PM   #4
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I previously has a 1993 sc2 and never changed the belt at 100,000...I had it until about 130,000 miles.
You didn't change the belt because it didn't have one. The engine in your 2000 car is nearly the same as the one in your old car.

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Old 04-17-2010, 06:49 PM   #5
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Default Re: 2000 SL2 Timing Chain/Belt

Thanks for the info everyone...oil has been changed every 3000-5000 so hopefully won't have any issues coming up.

Is there a reason more cars use belts rather than chains? It seem to me it would be a hel1 of a lot easier to not worry about changing a timing belt at ~100,000 miles.

What other cars other than Saturns use chains as opposed to belts? Might help with whatever my next car purchase is...although I think my 2000 sl2 still has a lot of life left.

My mom has an ion but only about 20,000 miles on it. Is that a chain or a belt?


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Old 04-17-2010, 07:52 PM   #6
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Is there a reason more cars use belts rather than chains? It seem to me it would be a hel1 of a lot easier to not worry about changing a timing belt at ~100,000 miles.
The belt is cheaper initially. Belt replacement, although it can be done by an independent mechanic or (in most cases) by the owner in the driveway, is a potential revenue source for dealership service departments. And finally, engine failure from neglecting a belt replacement and allowing it to break sells more new cars.

Well, belt-timed engines do tend to be quieter.

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What other cars other than Saturns use chains as opposed to belts? Might help with whatever my next car purchase is...although I think my 2000 sl2 still has a lot of life left.
Engines with pushrods (camshaft in the block) use very short timing chains, and in some cases gears. With cars with OHC engines, there's no "rhyme or reason"; IIRC there are even some cars with some available engines that are chain-timed and others that are belt-timed. Most notably, most small Hondas have belt-timed engines, and the timing belt also drives the water pump. So a timing belt replacement usually includes a prophylactic water pump replacement ("while we're in there"), making for a particularly expensive service.

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Old 04-17-2010, 07:55 PM   #7
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My Toyota uses a chain. I try and stay away from cars with belts.

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Old 04-18-2010, 02:14 PM   #8
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My Toyota uses a chain. I try and stay away from cars with belts.
+1. XRL and myself recently had a small dicussion about chains vs. belts, and it's usually about trading in the car once it's time for a new belt.

also madpogue, don't you also have to change the tensioner as well since it's also "mission critical" and "while we're in there"?

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Old 04-18-2010, 08:50 PM   #9
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also madpogue, don't you also have to change the tensioner as well since it's also "mission critical" and "while we're in there"?
Probably, on those cars so designed. Of all the 1.7L Omnis/Turismos/etc. I had, and the '89 Colt, none of them had tensioners. The 1.7s had an intermediate shaft/pulley that ran the oil pump and distributor, and IIRC, the Colt had an idler, but neither were adjustable. You just slipped the belt in place over the notched pulleys, making sure everything was lined up.

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Old 04-18-2010, 11:40 PM   #10
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Lots of cars use chains... And they are oh so much better.

My Nissan is chain, and because its a V6 with DOHC heads, it has a primary and secondary chain setup (3 chains total)


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Old 04-19-2010, 08:21 AM   #11
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Is that engine dripping on someone's kitchen floor? I ask based on the sheet vinyl and carpet visible in the background.

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Old 04-19-2010, 06:20 PM   #12
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Is that engine dripping on someone's kitchen floor? I ask based on the sheet vinyl and carpet visible in the background.
Haha, it looks like there is a catch pan below it, from my perspective

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