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Old 04-02-2010, 04:48 PM   #1
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Default Transmission fluid level

Hi all, I have an 09 Aura, 2.4L 6 speed transmission, 5100 miles. The shifting seems erratic, jerky, and sometimes non responsive, and reminds me of past transmissions with low fluid level in the way it acts. I've had it to the dealer and they say it is not showing any codes so it is normal. Since there is no way to verify the fluid level, short of draining and refilling with fresh Dex VI to the manufature specs of 5.3 QTS, would anyone be willing to remove the transmission fill cap and see if you can see the fluid level? On mine I can not see any fluid what so ever, but not sure if that is normal or not. If anyone could check theirs and let me know what they see that would be great. If you can see the fluid about how far down is it.

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Old 04-02-2010, 08:46 PM   #2
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Hi all, I have an 09 Aura, 2.4L 6 speed transmission, 5100 miles. The shifting seems erratic, jerky, and sometimes non responsive, and reminds me of past transmissions with low fluid level in the way it acts. I've had it to the dealer and they say it is not showing any codes so it is normal. Since there is no way to verify the fluid level, short of draining and refilling with fresh Dex VI to the manufature specs of 5.3 QTS, would anyone be willing to remove the transmission fill cap and see if you can see the fluid level? On mine I can not see any fluid what so ever, but not sure if that is normal or not. If anyone could check theirs and let me know what they see that would be great. If you can see the fluid about how far down is it.

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Well I'll be. Same car/engine/tranny as you & I just looked under the hood & sure enough there's no tranny dipstick. The engine was stone cold & I could not see any fluid in there with a flashlight. Have not checked it hot.

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Old 04-02-2010, 09:55 PM   #3
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Accordng to the service manual, to check the fluid level, get the engine up to operating tempature then lift the car off the ground. It has to be lifted so the car is level. Then with the engine running and the shifter in "PARK" remove the fluid level set plug. Fluid should slowly drip out. If it streams out, you have too much fluid and let it stream out until it drips. If nothing comes out, add fluid.

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Old 04-02-2010, 11:33 PM   #4
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Accordng to the service manual, to check the fluid level, get the engine up to operating tempature then lift the car off the ground. It has to be lifted so the car is level. Then with the engine running and the shifter in "PARK" remove the fluid level set plug. Fluid should slowly drip out. If it streams out, you have too much fluid and let it stream out until it drips. If nothing comes out, add fluid.
Gots to get me that service manual.

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Old 04-03-2010, 12:33 AM   #5
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As I recall from last summers discussion on trans fluid levels, the XE 5 speed had no way to check it and the 3.6 / 6 speed had a fill port with dipstick attached. I'll check mine this weekend and see if I have the dipstick. I think mine does.
If it does, then the 2.4 / 6 speed owners should be able to buy a filler cap for and XR with the 3.6 and be able to check the fluid level.

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Old 04-03-2010, 01:39 AM   #6
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As I recall from last summers discussion on trans fluid levels, the XE 5 speed had no way to check it and the 3.6 / 6 speed had a fill port with dipstick attached. I'll check mine this weekend and see if I have the dipstick. I think mine does.
If it does, then the 2.4 / 6 speed owners should be able to buy a filler cap for and XR with the 3.6 and be able to check the fluid level.
The procedure I posted was from the Mitchel on-line service manual and was for the 4T45-E. Its what I had available at the time.

Now that I'm home, below are scans from the Saturn Factory Service manuals. Slightly different procedure, but same basic idea.

First is for the 4T45-E:



And next is for the 6T70 / 6T75:




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Old 04-04-2010, 08:00 PM   #7
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Thanks Mike for the help. I appreciate the scans.

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Old 04-10-2010, 09:55 AM   #8
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I also noticed that there is a procedure called "Service Fast Learn Adapts" that is to be performed after any reflash of the TCM. Can this only be performed with the systems that the dealer has? Any way to have it done by an independent shop?

I know it is not related to checking the fluid level, but it does relate to something I am about to do.


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The procedure I posted was from the Mitchel on-line service manual and was for the 4T45-E. Its what I had available at the time.

Now that I'm home, below are scans from the Saturn Factory Service manuals. Slightly different procedure, but same basic idea.

First is for the 4T45-E:



And next is for the 6T70 / 6T75:



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Old 04-10-2010, 12:50 PM   #9
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Unfortunately this must be for an earlier Aura 6T70 as the 2009 Aura does not have the dipstick that is called out in the procedures. There must be a fluid level plug somewhere. I'll have to jack up the car and do some searching. The owners manual call for 5.3 qts of Dexron VI.

I bought a manual off of ebay and it said for 2007-2009 Aura but the manual was titled as 2007 and it called out the dipstick as well. The owners manual says no dipstick and does not have to checked unless it is leaking, then take it to the dealer.

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Old 04-11-2010, 02:56 PM   #10
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Unfortunately this must be for an earlier Aura 6T70 as the 2009 Aura does not have the dipstick that is called out in the procedures. There must be a fluid level plug somewhere. I'll have to jack up the car and do some searching. The owners manual call for 5.3 qts of Dexron VI.

I bought a manual off of ebay and it said for 2007-2009 Aura but the manual was titled as 2007 and it called out the dipstick as well. The owners manual says no dipstick and does not have to checked unless it is leaking, then take it to the dealer.

Dave
My 07 has the dipstick, so it looks like GM saved a nickle by deleting it and making the process the same as on the smaller transmissions.
So I still think the earliest 07's (built in 06) are the best built Auras out there. Mine has been flawless.

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Old 04-11-2010, 04:31 PM   #11
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My 07 has the dipstick, so it looks like GM saved a nickle by deleting it and making the process the same as on the smaller transmissions.
So I still think the earliest 07's (built in 06) are the best built Auras out there. Mine has been flawless.
I dunno, my 07 XR 3.6 (built 10/06) is at 64K and has had more than its fair share of issues. I just had the trans drained and refilled to solve a hard shift issue. Seems better but not as seemless as when I bought it. I've also had rust spots, peeling emblems, new catalytic converter, new strut, ISS, power steering pump/lines/reservior, and more that I'm forgetting. Not to mention I just spent a couple hours dissasembling the dash/console area and door panels to spray with silicone lubricant because the rattling is killing me.

But don't get me wrong, I really love the car or I'd just as soon try to unload it. I'm gonna keep it around a good while.

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Old 04-14-2010, 12:10 PM   #12
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I dunno, my 07 XR 3.6 (built 10/06) is at 64K and has had more than its fair share of issues. I just had the trans drained and refilled to solve a hard shift issue. Seems better but not as seemless as when I bought it. I've also had rust spots, peeling emblems, new catalytic converter, new strut, ISS, power steering pump/lines/reservior, and more that I'm forgetting. Not to mention I just spent a couple hours dissasembling the dash/console area and door panels to spray with silicone lubricant because the rattling is killing me.

But don't get me wrong, I really love the car or I'd just as soon try to unload it. I'm gonna keep it around a good while.
Amazing, Guess my concept that the first ones were put together more carefully, which is not a historical view, which is the reverse. My August 06 car has had none of the problems, except the whine from the PS pump, which I hae just gotten used to. Only rattle I have is the sunroof interior panel when it is pulled back. There is a fix for it, and if I ever have to take the car back in to the shop for some work, I'll have them retrofit it with the fix kit.
Guess I was just lucky.

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Old 04-14-2010, 04:22 PM   #13
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Amazing, Guess my concept that the first ones were put together more carefully, which is not a historical view, which is the reverse. My August 06 car has had none of the problems, except the whine from the PS pump, which I hae just gotten used to. Only rattle I have is the sunroof interior panel when it is pulled back. There is a fix for it, and if I ever have to take the car back in to the shop for some work, I'll have them retrofit it with the fix kit.
Guess I was just lucky.
I don't doubt the quality of your Aura one bit Phaeton. I don't clean the interior quite as much as I should which very well may be why it rattles in spots. And I have a little too much fun driving it sometimes which may be somewhat to blame for the mechanical issues.

BTW, the whine from the power steering pump is why I brought mine in when they did the pump/lines/reservior. They told me that whine is a common issue with the XR 3.6. I don't know if you're still under warranty or not but I'd maybe mention it?

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Old 04-16-2010, 03:28 PM   #14
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I too lament the dipstick delete since I like to check on things. Hey at least with the Electric power steering, there isn't any fluid to leak...just a motor to go bad...

But back to the transmission: The fluid check and fill proceedure is virtually the same as my LS. I had to drain the fluid by removing the pan and filter and cleaning the magnet. Once everything was reassembled, you had to put about 5qts into the transmission. That was about all it would hold. Then you have to warm the engine, transmission up to temperature and with the vehicle running, in park jacked up on jackstands so the transmission is still level with the ground, you have to open the check hole and add more quarts of fluid slowly until the fluid starts to trickle out of the hole.

I was having transmission problems on my LS until I changed the fluid. That car had 232k miles on it before having those problems and I put the Dex 6 in it. It's been good but I want to change the fluid again just to flush out any remaining gunk.

BTW, the Aura's service manual states that the trans fluid should be changed every 50k miles, I'm pretty sure depending on driving conditions.

I was also talking to the Saturn dealer about the transmission re-flash proceedure to keep the trans from hunting all of the time. The guy told me that it can be done but it basically holds 5th gear longer at higher speeds and customers report a 10% hit to fuel economy. I noticed that my trans can't decide if 6th or 5th is right going up a moderate hill at 60mph with the cruise on....

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