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Old 08-15-2015, 06:32 PM   #1
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Dizzy Saturn ion won't "shift"

Just bought a 2004 Saturn ion quad coupe. It won't "shift" out of low gear. Starts and goes into drive and reverse fine, just won't "shift" up and can only go 20mph or so before it sounded like it was winding up and needed to "shift".. I ran an obd scan that gave me code P0700. Any ideas? Any fixes? Any help is appreciated thanks!

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Old 08-15-2015, 07:34 PM   #2
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You didn't go over 20 on your test drive?

TAke it back to the stealer to get your money back, if you can, if not, change the trans fluid- don't flush, then research TSB's and recalls for it and befriend a good mechanic.

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Old 08-15-2015, 07:40 PM   #3
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Default Re: Saturn ion won't "shift"

The seller disclosed it, I got it reallly cheap, since I got it so cheap I'm alright with Putting some money into it. Just not super car smart and just wanted some opinions on what it could be before I take it to the shop Monday.

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Old 08-15-2015, 07:42 PM   #4
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You didn't go over 20 on your test drive?

TAke it back to the stealer to get your money back, if you can, if not, change the trans fluid- don't flush, then research TSB's and recalls for it and befriend a good mechanic.

Will definitely research the recall though!

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Old 08-16-2015, 12:15 AM   #5
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Which xmission? AF23-5 speed or VT25-E cvt?

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Old 08-16-2015, 12:19 AM   #6
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Which xmission? AF23-5 speed or VT25-E cvt?
Uh oh dreaded CVT trans? car is going to the boneyard.


https://www.google.com/search?q=P070...700+saturn+ion

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Old 08-16-2015, 07:04 AM   #7
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Which xmission? AF23-5 speed or VT25-E cvt?
It is the cvt.

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Old 08-16-2015, 09:07 AM   #8
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Cvt's are relatively new for Saturns. Either try searching within this forum (Ions only) to find more Ion cvt issues or search Vues with their cvt problems. Vues only ran this cvt for two years, every one of them failed to be reliable. GM quietly discontinued cvt Vues (same 2.2L engine).

With no gears to shift like conventional automatic xmissions, cvt's use a steel belt with two variable pulleys (search snowmobile drive system) for unlimited gear ratios. It's already complicated to diagnose and troubleshoot and will cost money to find out if it's damaged beyond repair/rebuilding value or worth it to replace it with another cvt that may fail.

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Old 08-16-2015, 09:07 AM   #9
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YOu bought a money pit to part out. Many before you have tried and failed( along with the factory).

NO amount of money will fix it.

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Old 08-16-2015, 03:47 PM   #10
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Couleesmi: check out the conversion thread in ION Tech. It will explain an option you can take to switch the CVT for an Aisin 5 speed auto that came in the sedans and is much more reliable.

Thread title: VTi To AF23 Transmission Swap

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Old 08-17-2015, 11:53 AM   #11
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Default Re: Saturn ion won't "shift"

you would be better off swapping the trans for the 5 speed auto.
its definitely doable, as stated already, there is a thread on details of the swap.
youll be wasting money if spent on trying to fix the cvt.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:28 PM   #12
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Just bought a 2004 Saturn ion quad coupe. It won't "shift" out of low gear. Starts and goes into drive and reverse fine, just won't "shift" up and can only go 20mph or so before it sounded like it was winding up and needed to "shift".. I ran an obd scan that gave me code P0700. Any ideas? Any fixes? Any help is appreciated thanks!
According to http://engine-codes.com/p0700_saturn.html, it's a faulty Transmission Control Module. It may be worth a $20-$40 gamble to buy a TCM from eBay. THEN, it MAY require reprogramming at a dealership (probably around $100-$150).

Ensure you have the EXACT same part number located under the bar code.

If this fixes it, I think it's a cheap repair and you got a great deal on a good car.

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Old 08-17-2015, 09:53 PM   #13
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Yeah, good luck with that . You should tell the factory so they know how to fix it...

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Old 08-18-2015, 09:37 AM   #14
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cvt's are relatively new for saturns. Either try searching within this forum (ions only) to find more ion cvt issues or search vues with their cvt problems. Vues only ran this cvt for two years, every one of them failed to be reliable. Gm quietly discontinued cvt vues (same 2.2l engine).

With no gears to shift like conventional automatic xmissions, cvt's use a steel belt with two variable pulleys (search snowmobile drive system) for unlimited gear ratios. It's already complicated to diagnose and troubleshoot and will cost money to find out if it's damaged beyond repair/rebuilding value or worth it to replace it with another cvt that may fail.


does it make any sort of difference if the engine light isnt lit?

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just won't "shift" up and can only go 20mph or so before it sounded like it was winding up and needed to "shift".does it make any sort of difference if the engine light isnt lit?...
I doubt it if your still stuck to going 20 mph, or what is it's top speed?

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Old 08-18-2015, 03:06 PM   #16
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I doubt it if your still stuck to going 20 mph, or what is it's top speed?

That's just as fast as it would go, then it sounded as if it needed to "shift"
Reverse works fine, and I can drive just 20mph is about top speed at the moment :/

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How much will JY's scrap it for in your area?

Of did you want to part it out or are you willing to research and follow through with a AF23 trans swap project as previously mentioned?

HOw rusted is it?

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does it make any sort of difference if the engine light isnt lit?
Whether its cvt problems or anything else, there are many issues without a check engine light ever turning on. Nothing made is perfect and error codes do not cover every problem. If this were true then there would be no need for repair shops or dealers if everyone can use tools for home repairs. You many be trying to describe the same scenario of two Korean commercial pilots that crashed their airplane short of the runway two years ago in California; the second pilot made the mistake of attempting to switch from auto landing control to manual (actually controlling the landing) too late while the captain was too late in assessing the flight to take over, resulting in crashing the plane at the waters edge destroying the aircraft and killing some people. Automated flight can now operate almost without a pilot placing more training on pilots learning the computer systems that can take off, fly to a destination and land without a pilot ever flying the plane. This now allows inexperienced pilots to fly when flying skills (not computer skills) are still needed for every phase of flying. Younger pilots without any experience in every flying phase relying on computer controls lose the ability to actually fly to stay in the loop. The second pilot never landed at the airport and was never given training to allow the transition from simulated flying to actual flying. Usually two people are flying, one doing the actual flying while the co-pilot monitors everything else as a team concept. Unfortunately this team didn't communicate well together to avoid the crash. Not everything is set in stone. Error codes can not cover everything that can go wrong. If you expect error codes to pop up to tell you what's wrong, you may not be aware of a need to learn about car maintenance to become familiar with many things going wrong without an error code turning on the cel.

While not 100% familiar with cvt's but do understand how they work, no one has ever posted cvt error codes here while in the Vue forums with many cvt failures, no one posted error codes pointing directly to cvt failure. Any error codes that were generated were always indirect without providing the "the whatchmacallit snapped and is sounding like a water hammer" definition". Your description without any error code(s) may be describing cvt failure similar to Vue cvt's failing - error codes never pointing to cvt failure but the car drives wrong. Seat of the pants descriptions still goes a long way to figuring out many things when error codes don't appear.

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How much will JY's scrap it for in your area?

Of did you want to part it out or are you willing to research and follow through with a AF23 trans swap project as previously mentioned?

HOw rusted is it?

No rust on it, it's actually a nice looking car



I had thought about scraping, but I don't know how much I'd get, I've only scraped once before and that was a long while ago. And parting out wouldn't be bad, but I'd almost like to get it fixed and just sell it.
I did find the same transmission for $294 on eBay free shipping and 6 mo warranty.. Or there is one that might work on Craigslist in my area..

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YOu're rolling the dice...

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