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Old 02-24-2010, 03:57 PM   #1
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Question Performance Air Intake

So I went to my local dealer the other day and talked to their parts guys and they actually talked me out of getting the GM performance intake for the Sky Redline. They said the part makes the car backfire badly and it also rattles while the car is on.

Here is a link to the part I am talking about.
Sky-Solstice Intake

That being said, does anyone have any recommendations for an aftermarket intake? I've been told many times to use an oil-free intake because any intake that has oil on the filter screws up the sensors.

I'd like to say that if it offered some sort of HP increase that would be cool. I know very well going into this, that an intake at best would get you maybe 2-5 HP, so I'm not expecting massive gains.

I'm getting ready to put on the GM turbo kit (yes I know there are better but I like the idea of having more power and no warranty issues) and I'd like to have an intake that wouldn't make the engine weaker. (I've heard that some intakes can actually lower your horsepower).

Any thoughts?

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Old 02-24-2010, 07:01 PM   #2
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Redline or NA??

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Old 02-24-2010, 07:24 PM   #3
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I'm getting ready to put on the GM turbo kit...
That kit is the turbo upgrade from GM which adds 30hp... ?

Wouldn't bother with an alternate air intake of any kind; unless you're looking for more noise under the hood. The factory airbox is quite effective.

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Old 02-25-2010, 08:16 AM   #4
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So I went to my local dealer the other day and talked to their parts guys and they actually talked me out of getting the GM performance intake for the Sky Redline. They said the part makes the car backfire badly and it also rattles while the car is on.
I've never seen or heard reports of the GMPP intake causing rattling or backfiring, nor does it even seem very plausible. I'd think people would be up in arms if it were causing thrown codes, and GM would probably yank the part. They all magnify the BOV sound (a negative in my book) while providing little to no HP/torque gain over the stock box, though they do look good.

Having people who managed to screw up the installation of a CAI and a backfire diagnosis that badly (probably more than once if the parts guy thinks the CAI is a problem) perform the turbo upgrade would definitely give me pause. You should probably find another dealer or authorized service provider to take care of it for you.

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Old 02-25-2010, 08:23 AM   #5
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I just had the GMPP cold air intake (CAI) and performance upgrade (turbo kit) installed 2 months ago in December through my Saturn dealer - specifically because these parts are designed for the SKY don't void any warranty.

I have absolutely no problemd with the CAI outside of getting used to the noise it makes because the filter is exposed rather than enclosed.

I posted a few questions on the skyroadster forum after I had the upgrades installed just to make sure what I was encountering is considered "normal operating condition".
http://www.skyroadster.com/forums/f2...estions-33836/

Whatever you do, make sure and ask your dealer to give you ALL of the parts back with the boxes and instructions should you one day decide to part with your SKY, you can offer the buyer the original parts to bring back to factory spec. if he / she chooses. It also might tell the buyer that you looked after the car very well to have considered these things.

Good luck with your decision. Keep us posted on your progress.

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Old 02-25-2010, 05:21 PM   #6
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What kind of power is it now?

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Old 02-26-2010, 08:22 AM   #7
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What kind of power is it now?
I really haven't had a good opportunity to test it out yet. I picked the car up from the dealer the day before we had the December snowstorm in the DC area and, since it's only a weekend / holiday driver in good to fair weather, I've only had it on the road two or three times without having pushed it beyond 3rd gear.

The engine pulls and pulls and pulls throughout acceleration up to 4th gear - past that I haven't done heavy acceleration. I've not experienced any hesitation or misfiring or any type of detectable "lag". Then again, my SKY's engine performance has always seemed VERY smooth to me.

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Old 03-04-2010, 05:52 PM   #8
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gpartrid - I watched followed your links all the way to the FB videos of the sky with the turbo and the CAI installed and in my unprofessional opinion, not only does that car sound great, but it is making sounds I would expect to hear. That louder wizz or woosh or "donkey sound" (HAH!) as I think someone mentioned is just the blow off from the turbo between gears. It's just amplified.

As for the CAI, I have considered installing it myself since it seems like you just remove the airbox and the pipe leading to it as well as unplugging two different cables and then installing 2 more.

I would consider another dealer but as Saturn is phasing out, the only dealer I have is Saturn of Cool Springs in TN.

What do you guys think? Maybe I should just do the CAI myself?

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Old 03-05-2010, 09:47 AM   #9
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Cool. There's nothing like asking questions and reading / researching the forum(s) to glean some valuable information.

Now that I know the sounds I'm hearing are normal for this type of equipment upgrade, I'm definitely alright with it and couldn't be happier.

Last weekend is the 1st time in about 3 weeks I drove my RL and I got the boost up to 17 on the DIC under heavy acceleration in 4th gear. There wasn't enough room to push on up into 5th.

So far, it seems, the turbo upgrade and CAI are functioning as they should without any adverse side-effects noted.

As far as installing the CAI on your own, if you have the knowledge, skills and tools to do it without inflicting any damage, then by all means, I'd save the money by DIY.

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Old 03-05-2010, 02:21 PM   #10
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Cool. There's nothing like asking questions and reading / researching the forum(s) to glean some valuable information.

Now that I know the sounds I'm hearing are normal for this type of equipment upgrade, I'm definitely alright with it and couldn't be happier.

Last weekend is the 1st time in about 3 weeks I drove my RL and I got the boost up to 17 on the DIC under heavy acceleration in 4th gear. There wasn't enough room to push on up into 5th.

So far, it seems, the turbo upgrade and CAI are functioning as they should without any adverse side-effects noted.

As far as installing the CAI on your own, if you have the knowledge, skills and tools to do it without inflicting any damage, then by all means, I'd save the money by DIY.
That's the problem. I am a technical person (computers) but I've never worked on a car. However that being said, I believe the instructions are online and I wonder if it's just an easy bolt on item. I was hoping to find someone that has done it before that could chime in and give some guidance. I have no qualms on having the dealer install it except that someone above mentioned that it shouldn't rattle or backfire and that the dealer may have not installed it properly.

I'll check out some other forums, the one you linked to earlier seems to be more active.

What was your total cost out the door including the CAI? I am getting the turbo installed for $895 minus $100 for a coupon I have (so $795 plus tax).

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Old 03-05-2010, 08:47 PM   #11
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That's the problem. I am a technical person (computers) but I've never worked on a car. However that being said, I believe the instructions are online and I wonder if it's just an easy bolt on item. I was hoping to find someone that has done it before that could chime in and give some guidance. I have no qualms on having the dealer install it except that someone above mentioned that it shouldn't rattle or backfire and that the dealer may have not installed it properly.

I'll check out some other forums, the one you linked to earlier seems to be more active.

What was your total cost out the door including the CAI? I am getting the turbo installed for $895 minus $100 for a coupon I have (so $795 plus tax).
I don't know much about the mechanics that go into working on an engine either and prefer to leave that to the folks who really know what they're doing, even if it costs me - it's worth it for my peace of mind, plus, it'll be fully warrantied.

I don't have my receipt handy but I paid around $900 for both the Turbo Upgrade and CAI including labor - but don't quote me on that. Total labor was approx. 2.5 hrs. for both as I had them done at the same time. I think $800 for the turbo upgrade is probably the upper limit for parts and labor.

Check out skyroadster.com. There are two forums that I read daily - "general sky discussion" and "sky redline discussion". That's THE place to get the goods on all of this. I was really surprised at first at how little participation there seems to be on this Sky forum vs. skyroadster.com as I'm active on the Aura forum as well. I read almost voraciously on that as well as this forum and some members are active on both forums. As with our saturnfans forums, there are a lot of very knowledgeable and friendly folks who will gladly advise and opine. There are lots of folks over there who know a boatload about modding and engine performance.

Good luck with your installation. Keep me / us posted as to your progress.

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Old 03-06-2010, 11:24 AM   #12
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I don't know much about the mechanics that go into working on an engine either and prefer to leave that to the folks who really know what they're doing, even if it costs me - it's worth it for my peace of mind, plus, it'll be fully warrantied.

I don't have my receipt handy but I paid around $900 for both the Turbo Upgrade and CAI including labor - but don't quote me on that. Total labor was approx. 2.5 hrs. for both as I had them done at the same time. I think $800 for the turbo upgrade is probably the upper limit for parts and labor.

Check out skyroadster.com. There are two forums that I read daily - "general sky discussion" and "sky redline discussion". That's THE place to get the goods on all of this. I was really surprised at first at how little participation there seems to be on this Sky forum vs. skyroadster.com as I'm active on the Aura forum as well. I read almost voraciously on that as well as this forum and some members are active on both forums. As with our saturnfans forums, there are a lot of very knowledgeable and friendly folks who will gladly advise and opine. There are lots of folks over there who know a boatload about modding and engine performance.

Good luck with your installation. Keep me / us posted as to your progress.
I am on skyroadster.com but it never activated my account so I cannot post. I have sent messages to admin but no reply.

I see that it is far more active and I would like to post on there but I cannot. I need to create a new account I guess.

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Old 03-06-2010, 06:57 PM   #13
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Make sure you clicked the link in the email that was sent to you when you registered (if you still have it). That activates your account. After that, your first post goes into moderation status and won't appear until a mod sees and approves it- a way of preventing spam. If you continue to have difficulty, send a PM to cerberus. He's the most responsive of the moderators. Don't bother sending a message to Administrator- that's the AutoForums technical guys and they hardly ever answer unless there's a site performance issue.

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Make sure you clicked the link in the email that was sent to you when you registered (if you still have it). That activates your account. After that, your first post goes into moderation status and won't appear until a mod sees and approves it- a way of preventing spam. If you continue to have difficulty, send a PM to cerberus. He's the most responsive of the moderators. Don't bother sending a message to Administrator- that's the AutoForums technical guys and they hardly ever answer unless there's a site performance issue.
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I have a 2008 Sky Red Line and I had the GM Cold Air Package installed. It was expensive but did give me a full 10% increase in HP. I have had no problems with it in the 2 years I've had it. No backfires except the small ones that come from the MagnaFlo muffler installation. Sounds great when it does.

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I just bought a magnaflow cat back exhaust for my red line (part #16761) and I can't wait to install it... It should give me a little more sound (not like a fart box) and power since it's a 3" exhaust... I'm going to put a cold air intake on next somewhere down the road and I can't wait to hear that "donkey sound" or whoosh from the turbo slowing down while winding through the gears. You are so lucky to hear that sound! I have a friend that put a duck call on the bottom of his blow off valve and it makes me laugh so hard it almost brings tears to my eyes!

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Call Odise at Fujita. Tell him Justin Hunter from Dallas sent you. He wil throw on the Intercooler Piping set with the air intake. Increasing all your pipes to 3". Front to Back. I love mine. including the wife.

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Thanks I will... I appreciate it.

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I have the GM intake on my 2006 Solstice does not "rattle" does not cause the car to "backfire", and I put it on in 2007. Oh and what people are talking about is a dry filter not a dry intake.

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Proper vehicle maintenance leads to improved performance, and every driver can relate to that. Cold air intakes are the perfect ingredient for those who know how to punch the pedal with authority, and CARiD has just what you need. We offer the latest selection of top-quality Air Intakes and Air Filters that turn hot dirty air into the cool clean breeze your engine needs.....

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