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Old 02-23-2010, 12:29 PM   #21
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Shawn, another great writeup with pics!
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ALSO: does anyone here have any tips on removing the HC from a crown victoria?
What year?

I think I have a Ford FSM-type thing on CD for 1998, can't recall off hand if it includes the Crown Vic but I think it does. I'll hve to check when I get home

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Old 02-23-2010, 04:44 PM   #22
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Pop the wheel covers off, stick on a random 4-digit stick-on number on the trunk lid, throw a Krispy Kreme wrapper on the passenger seat floor and take it to your local municipality's motor pool garage. They'll just assume it's a G-car and do it for you.

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. It took a few minutes but I got it (it would also help if it had a POLICE INTERCEPTOR badge or two somewhere on it..)

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my friend and i got about 98% of the way on a Taurus once. very involved.
I'd believe it, given the processes are sort of similar (and I bet it's just as cruel in a 'vic). I also found a video on youtube where you can take a HUGE shortcut in replacing the HC on a Taurus -- what model was yours? The model in the video happened to be one from this millenium.

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Any '96-2000 model.

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I think I have a Ford FSM-type thing on CD for 1998, can't recall off hand if it includes the Crown Vic but I think it does. I'll hve to check when I get home
Good deal. If that thing has the CV on there, you might as well consider it a gold mine.. Heater Cores on police interceptor 'vics are one common weak point on them ('98 and '99 were ESPECIALLY notorious)...

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Nice how-to on the Saturn replacement! As for the Escort video by richpin, I'm grateful our Escort heater went 185K w/o a problem. If it had died, I'd just take the heater out of the coolant loop and offer it for sale on Craiglist Florida or Arizona...

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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. It took a few minutes but I got it (it would also help if it had a POLICE INTERCEPTOR badge or two somewhere on it..)



I'd believe it, given the processes are sort of similar (and I bet it's just as cruel in a 'vic). I also found a video on youtube where you can take a HUGE shortcut in replacing the HC on a Taurus -- what model was yours? The model in the video happened to be one from this millenium.


Any '96-2000 model.


Good deal. If that thing has the CV on there, you might as well consider it a gold mine.. Heater Cores on police interceptor 'vics are one common weak point on them ('98 and '99 were ESPECIALLY notorious)...
the one we were doing was a '96 or thereabouts. it looked to us that we could go no further w/out removing the AC core as well, so we put it back together. (there was a bypass installed by the PO)

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the one we were doing was a '96 or thereabouts. it looked to us that we could go no further w/out removing the AC core as well, so we put it back together. (there was a bypass installed by the PO)
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Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. It took a few minutes but I got it (it would also help if it had a POLICE INTERCEPTOR badge or two somewhere on it..)
Where I work, even the non-police CVs get the PI kit and trunk-lid badge. It's funny to see people about to pass you on the road and then sloooooow dowwwwwn. Glad I'll never have to work on one.

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Where I work, even the non-police CVs get the PI kit and trunk-lid badge. It's funny to see people about to pass you on the road and then sloooooow dowwwwwn. Glad I'll never have to work on one.
...that much of a pain in the arse to work on, huh?

I figured the heater core was a ***** (given it's prolly the same as changing it out in a Taurus or Escort), but seriously..

Only real benefits of the PI package are:

1) what madpogue said in the quote
2) traction control (you're gonna need it, especially since it's RWD)
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If that thing has the CV on there, you might as well consider it a gold mine..
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I'll see if I can't put it somewhere... about 230mb zipped. I'll post a link in the "other cars" forum and PM you when I get it out there so we can stop hijacking ShawnV's thread

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continental, contour, crown vic, escort, grand marquis, Mark VIII, mustang, mystique, sable, taurus, town car, tracer.

I'll see if I can't put it somewhere... about 230mb zipped. I'll post a link in the "other cars" forum and PM you when I get it out there so we can stop hijacking ShawnV's thread
Eh... sounds good. thanks dude.

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Mine developed a crack in it a few months ago and I didn't feel like replacing it myself given the weather and time constraints. I paid Pep Boys $200 to do it, which wasn't too unreasonable.

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Old 03-03-2010, 04:32 PM   #31
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I don't understand. You won't buy what car?
Richpin posted about the escort having to disassemble the entire front of the car to change the heater core.

On the buick roadmaster it simply is remove a plastic bottom drain pan and then unbolt it. What is tricky is some of the heater cores like in a 1991 to 1993 used a weird hose snapon connection. They designed it to make it very hard to push a regular hose over. And to buy the special heater hose is a very expensive dealer only part.
What typically happens is the connector corrodes itself on the pipe and is just about impossible to remove, so you end up destroying the hose getting it apart.
Also the heater core itself is a nice aluminum unit, BUT the tubes coming out of it swivel on a rubber o ring. Well the o-ring eventually shrinks, rots, and leaks. But the core will remain perfect. They did this to save space in shipping it. You can of course jbweld it but you know what, you got to get it out first.

You could likely cut off the offending nub on the hose pipe and jb weld epoxy a ridge into whats left to take a std hose.

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What makes these cores go out? I mean, they are in a little plastic box protecting them, are these a common problem on Saturns? Is there anyway to drain them completely before removing them? I would be really upset if any coolant made it to my carpet..

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Once you get the hoses of outside use a wet/dry vac on either one of teh tubes and that will get it purged. There still may be a drip or 3 plus what ever is hiding in the bottom of the case.

The cause of the failure is the heater core metal is very thin so that you get good heat transfer. Any internal corrosion at all and you have a hole. The rubber hoses electrically isolate the core from the rest of the system and the antifreeze will act as an electrolyte and cause pitting if its old enough. These little holes show up in heater cores that have been in cars that have 10 year old coolant. This is the big reason you are supposed to change the coolant out or sample it on a specified interval.

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Once you get the hoses of outside use a wet/dry vac on either one of teh tubes and that will get it purged. There still may be a drip or 3 plus what ever is hiding in the bottom of the case.

The cause of the failure is the heater core metal is very thin so that you get good heat transfer. Any internal corrosion at all and you have a hole. The rubber hoses electrically isolate the core from the rest of the system and the antifreeze will act as an electrolyte and cause pitting if its old enough. These little holes show up in heater cores that have been in cars that have 10 year old coolant. This is the big reason you are supposed to change the coolant out or sample it on a specified interval.
Ah okay so if you keep your coolant fresh this shouldnt happen?

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Thats the plan. Old coolant usually gets either the radiator or heater core first, whichever is harder to change.

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Thats the plan. Old coolant usually gets either the radiator or heater core first, whichever is harder to change.
So how is it heater cores in crown victorias are one of their known weaknesses? Would that be chalked up due to neglect, or...?

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The part that fails has a lot to do with what the flow through it is and how much coolant sits in the core when the engine is off. Then there is always the old crappy design issue.

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Thanks for posting this! I had tried to do this on my '89 Toyota truck. Had the whole dash out nad everything then got stuck on the A/C evaporator. Wasn't gonna remove it with the old R12 in it BRRRRRRRRRRR!

I had a bad Resi cap and it was bubbling over after turning off. Put the new cap on and new leaks "Surprise, suprise, suprise!"...

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i know how to pressure test the system. both hoses are hot into the firewire but i smell a faint scent last year but now, ive seen the red low coolant lite come on & car running hot, well moving up to 1/2 & over to 3/4 at stop lites/traffic. thermostant changed but looking at cap & ect & rad...but how can i tell if there's a pin size leak in my core. no water on floor..but, ido smell antifress inside car? sl2 1998 dohc. its only 30$ part.. im almost ready to change everything out for under 175 cause i cant understand the boil over & over heating. only saw antifreez leaking from under the car but cant make it reproduce..

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Although smelling coolant in the car is a sign of possible coolant leaking in the heater core, consider something else before tearing apart the HVAC box and finding nothing wrong with your heater core because it is just as possible a leak may be from the engine area since air flows from the engine towards the cabin.

Have you checked for the possibility of the cooling fan no longer forcing air through the condenser coil and radiator, allowing an overheating condition? When the fan runs it should be screaming, period. Did you check the fan to see if its running at full speed? Not just turning but at full force? Either wire the fan directly to the battery to test full power operation or wire a jumper between the fan relay socket pins 30 and 87 to send 12v directly to the fan. If the fan merely blows without any force, replace it.

Posts about poor a/c function and overheating with vehicles are appearing more often related to worn out cooling fans. Something to consider with older cars in the sun belt regions using a/c more than cars in the northern states.

Heater cores are made to outlast the life of most cars on the road.

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